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Old 04-17-2012, 12:35 PM
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Here is a link about a restored spitfire
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/w...-71-years.html
accordly to the serial number P9374, the machine was built by Supermarine (contract n° B980385/39) in a batch of 181 machines all MkI.
The Air Restoration Company (http://www.arc-duxford.co.uk/)sited at Duxford airfield restored the plane.
my ask is: maybe some of them for sure well know about engine limitations, they took it in flight after 70 years (I dont know who is the pilot)
Some of this community with a better knowledge of english than me can contact those guys and ask for more infos!
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Old 04-17-2012, 12:49 PM
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Here is a link about a restored spitfire
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/w...-71-years.html
accordly to the serial number P9374, the machine was built by Supermarine (contract n° B980385/39) in a batch of 181 machines all MkI.
The Air Restoration Company (http://www.arc-duxford.co.uk/)sited at Duxford airfield restored the plane.
my ask is: maybe some of them for sure well know about engine limitations, they took it in flight after 70 years (I dont know who is the pilot)
Some of this community with a better knowledge of english than me can contact those guys and ask for more infos!
cheers
Restored aircraft operating today will almost never use maximum boost as it would risk a rare and expensive asset unnecessarily. Many don't even have an operational turbo/super charger for ease of maintenance. I think 20,000 feet would be considered high when operating warbirds these days.

Shame as the data would have been incredibly useful.
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Old 04-17-2012, 03:56 PM
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From Hurricane MkI Pilots Notes, Melrin II or III engine. This is a May 1941 edition - I haven't found an earlier one yet so it is possible that the combat advice differed during the BoB. I'll re-check the Library. However, the engines were the same.
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:46 PM
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From Hurricane MkI Pilots Notes, Melrin II or III engine. This is a May 1941 edition - I haven't found an earlier one yet so it is possible that the combat advice differed during the BoB. I'll re-check the Library. However, the engines were the same.
Interesting stuff Klem, thanks for posting.

I find it quite hard to overspeed my prop - certainly not to 3600 RPM. Is there any situation on CloD where that kind of overspeed is possible?
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Old 04-17-2012, 06:28 PM
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Interesting stuff Klem, thanks for posting.

I find it quite hard to overspeed my prop - certainly not to 3600 RPM. Is there any situation on CloD where that kind of overspeed is possible?
Not with the Rotol equipped Hurricane, these limits were set to the engine in general - Merlin II and III. Following airscrews have been fitted on Hurricanes of that era: Weybridge fixed pitch, de Havilland 2-pitch or Rotol constant speed. With the first two, you could indeed overrev your engine in a dive, hence the limit set in the pilot's manual. You will be able to overrev your engine in the sime flying de Havilland Mk.I fighters (Spitfire Mk.I and DH-20 Hurricane Mk.I),

klem - I do have great copy of Hurricane Mk.I pilot notes and maintenance manual dated March 1939, all pre-BoB Merlin II and III related. Great stuff, PM me if you'd care for a copy.
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:02 PM
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Not with the Rotol equipped Hurricane, these limits were set to the engine in general - Merlin II and III. Following airscrews have been fitted on Hurricanes of that era: Weybridge fixed pitch, de Havilland 2-pitch or Rotol constant speed. With the first two, you could indeed overrev your engine in a dive, hence the limit set in the pilot's manual. You will be able to overrev your engine in the sime flying de Havilland Mk.I fighters (Spitfire Mk.I and DH-20 Hurricane Mk.I),

klem - I do have great copy of Hurricane Mk.I pilot notes and maintenance manual dated March 1939, all pre-BoB Merlin II and III related. Great stuff, PM me if you'd care for a copy.
Thanks Robo, I forgot it wasn't a constant speed prop on these early machines Dohhh! The reason I ask is that I've seen reference to overspeeding props in manuals for aircraft with constant speed units fitted and was wondering under what circumstances an overspeed could happen.

I guess slamming the throttle to max when going into a dive might not give the constant speed unit time to adjust?
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:10 PM
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I guess slamming the throttle to max when going into a dive might not give the constant speed unit time to adjust?
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Old 04-17-2012, 10:08 PM
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Not with the Rotol equipped Hurricane, these limits were set to the engine in general - Merlin II and III. Following airscrews have been fitted on Hurricanes of that era: Weybridge fixed pitch, de Havilland 2-pitch or Rotol constant speed. With the first two, you could indeed overrev your engine in a dive, hence the limit set in the pilot's manual. You will be able to overrev your engine in the sime flying de Havilland Mk.I fighters (Spitfire Mk.I and DH-20 Hurricane Mk.I),

klem - I do have great copy of Hurricane Mk.I pilot notes and maintenance manual dated March 1939, all pre-BoB Merlin II and III related. Great stuff, PM me if you'd care for a copy.
Thanks,

I've PM'd you.
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@klem: Could you provide the paragraph that deals with the propeller pitch control, especially with regards to the handling of the DH two position pitch? Compare Spitfire I: http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/97

It would be important to know if the Hurricane had the same "bycicle pump" control like the Spitfire that allowed setting any pitch between "fine" and "coarse". So the images of the cockpit could also be interesting.
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