.50 cal?

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Ctrl E

wow -didn't mean to trigger such a discussion. gives us something to do i while we wait for SOW i guess.

i would have thought a single .50 cal round fired square into the 6 of an aircraft would punch through the pilot's seat (and chest) and smash half way through the engine block - thus killing the pilot and the engine. of course in real life the round would bounce around a bit and fly off at odd angles.

i still reckon the current .50 cal round is a bit weak.

this is getting a bit like an episode of CSI.

If you're new to the community then this is just another day, another .50cal thread

Lots of topics posted on it since we got the weapon in the first place. Between that and the German MG151/20 cannon. I used to think it weak and then I adjusted my convergence, thought about my shooting, and then I solved most of my problems. Rapid strikes in the same location will do it...cut apart near anything. It may be a tad bit weak but the debate on that will go on endlessly so I stopped worrying and made sure I was effective with it.

With a little practice its a fine weapon. You can go home with 3-5 fighter kills with it if you're good. Not easy to do that given what happens in combat but its possible.

[*Buzzsaw*]

Originally Posted by IceFire

Between that and the German MG151/20 cannon. I used to think it weak

...the MG151/20 weak>>>????

Don't think so, ever since Oleg adjusted the ammo load to include the maximum number of Minen shells after a storm of complaints from the Luftwaffe side, the MG151/20 is now the most powerful 20mm gun in the game, even though the experts rate the Hispano as being superior.

[Kira]

Originally Posted by *Buzzsaw*

...the MG151/20 weak>>>????

Don't think so, ever since Oleg adjusted the ammo load to include the maximum number of Minen shells after a storm of complaints from the Luftwaffe side, the MG151/20 is now the most powerful 20mm gun in the game, even though the experts rate the Hispano as being superior.

Sounds like you hold a bit of a grudge against blue.

[Kwiatek]

0,50 cal effectivness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVH8dI-ZTbA&fmt=18

[Baron]

Got fed up with the weak (relativly) armement of early jap planes the other week and just to prove a point i swiched sides and climbed into a F4F.

Got 6 Zero kills in one sortie, of wich 2 simply exploded, the rest lost theire wing/wings or started burning..and had ammo to spear at the end of the mission.


50 cals are just fine.


In the ETO its a bit harder, as it should be, but the 50`s are just fine

[*Buzzsaw*]

Originally Posted by Baron

Got fed up with the weak (relativly) armement of early jap planes the other week and just to prove a point i swiched sides and climbed into a F4F.

Got 6 Zero kills in one sortie, of wich 2 simply exploded, the rest lost theire wing/wings or started burning..and had ammo to spear at the end of the mission.


50 cals are just fine.


In the ETO its a bit harder, as it should be, but the 50`s are just fine

Using early Jap planes as an example is completely useless.

You can set them on fire with two LMG's. Anything can set them on fire.

The USN did a complete study of the .50 calibre versus the 20mm Hispano, which included all manner of damage tests.

Their conclusion: Three .50 cals do the equivalent of one 20mm in damage.

The question we have to ask, in the game, does an aircraft with six wingmount 50 cals, such as a Mustang D, do the same damage as an aircraft with two 20mm in the wings, such as a Spitfire. I know that most of the time, I don't bother firing the LMG's in the Spitfire wing, I save them for defence after I run out of 20mm's. And I find the Spitfire's guns far more effective than a Mustang D's.

[Brain32]

And if you really read all those pilot accunts you posted here, none of them was dead six shot, the most usual line being "...I observed strikes over fuselage and cockpit...".
Well ofcourse the .50 could penetrate plexiglass, especially at deflections you see comonly described in those pilot accounts, that's hardly an achievement.

What happens in-game though is another thing, dead six pilot kills, controls shot off/jammed, not to mention what kind of skin damage can 50 cal make in-game, it's pretty funny that it does not matter if 20mm or 50cal hit you in the wing, you will often loose 100kmh+ and struggle to keep a level flight after only one or very few 50cal hits.
All this adjusted by Oleg and Co after years and years of crusade for the super powered 50cal, point convergence, box convergence, sync them, unsync them, make them smell funny..., seriously I believe Oleg starts considering a vacation every time he sees yet ANOTHER "My 50cal's can't explode Tiger tanks!!!" thread.

One could write a book about il2sturmovik game called:
"Exploding a Triptiz with a single bullet: A dream of a 50cal."


Yeah just keep throwing pilot accounts and spread some more BS, maybe in SoW too late 109's will struggle to manouver with P47, Tempests will fly like light aerobatic planes and any idiot will be able to win the teh war before his wife comes home.
Well atleast it will sell great

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by *Buzzsaw*

...the MG151/20 weak>>>????

Don't think so, ever since Oleg adjusted the ammo load to include the maximum number of Minen shells after a storm of complaints from the Luftwaffe side, the MG151/20 is now the most powerful 20mm gun in the game, even though the experts rate the Hispano as being superior.

I know...thats what I meant.