3D Cliffs Of Dover Pictures

[Les]

Originally Posted by raaaid

can you do this with the game?

Tilt shift lenses can recreate that sense of scale in 2D, do a Google search for 'tilt shift lens video' and you'll find some examples.

In regards to seeing the proper scale of clouds and things in-game, that can be experienced by projecting the game at 1:1 scale onto a large screen. I never realized how massive the clouds in the game actually are until I saw that.

And, for what it's worth Raaid, I too have seen the kind of movie-like 3D effect in real life that you're describing. And yes, I've even seen it while playing IL2 (!!!). But, so what, it's no big deal. It just requires some concentration and a shift in perception, to notice something in real life we usually just take for granted, and to allow your senses to be more thoroughly tricked by the illusion of three dimensional space being depicted in a game (or picture). It's a trivial thing really, but some people can do it and some people can't, so you have to be careful. I think it's just as ridiculous for those who can do it to say it's something mystical or other-worldy as it is for those who can't do it to say it's impossible.

The senses are easily tricked, into perceiving things that aren't there and into not perceiving things that are there (most people would be surprised).

Anyway...too much OT now for me.

[raaaid]

yes i just dont like to be call crazy for expressing for honesty

i hate that real world attitude of having to look normal when everybody has bizarre thoughts who they silence

yes i withdraw my saying my perception like in a 3d movie its unique

as a matter of fact im begining to learn to control it:

if i look normal i see flat as i have done all my life

but if cross my eyes VERY SLIGHTLY WITHOUT LOSING THE FOCUS i achieve a more 3d perception the more i cross the eyes before seeing doeuble moment the perception is gone

this is wrong:

"Stereopsis or retinal (binocular) disparity - Animals that have their eyes placed frontally can also use information derived from the different projection of objects onto each retina to judge depth. By using two images of the same scene obtained from slightly different angles, it is possible to triangulate the distance to an object with a high degree of accuracy"

stereopsis is an illusion actually, a construction of the mind, retines are actually flat

if you see this double as the other images \ / they cant be geometrically overimposed yet your brain does an I with depth appearance, no triangulation

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wow thanks this can not explain:



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and i insist:

you know when you drive you see the verticals bars of the car double when looking far away

verify your self, so what i say you can see that makes sense, that with an artificial 3d perception(actually a real 3d perception) you dont see vertical bars double when looking faraway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9E9H...layer_embedded

what do you have to say at this?

[irR4tiOn4L]

Originally Posted by Les

Tilt shift lenses can recreate that sense of scale in 2D, do a Google search for 'tilt shift lens video' and you'll find some examples.

In regards to seeing the proper scale of clouds and things in-game, that can be experienced by projecting the game at 1:1 scale onto a large screen. I never realized how massive the clouds in the game actually are until I saw that.

And, for what it's worth Raaid, I too have seen the kind of movie-like 3D effect in real life that you're describing. And yes, I've even seen it while playing IL2 (!!!). But, so what, it's no big deal. It just requires some concentration and a shift in perception, to notice something in real life we usually just take for granted, and to allow your senses to be more thoroughly tricked by the illusion of three dimensional space being depicted in a game (or picture). It's a trivial thing really, but some people can do it and some people can't, so you have to be careful. I think it's just as ridiculous for those who can do it to say it's something mystical or other-worldy as it is for those who can't do it to say it's impossible.

The senses are easily tricked, into perceiving things that aren't there and into not perceiving things that are there (most people would be surprised).

Anyway...too much OT now for me.

I think most people can perceive depth in 2d images by nature. Try this for example - close one eye - do you still see depth? Yes, you do, and why is that? Because the brain relies on cues other than JUST stereoscopic vision.

Of course, in a 2d image on a monitor, some cues conflict (stereoscopic vision is saying "NOT 3D" while other cues are saying "3D") and so you have to fight your brain, depending on how strong your stereoscopic vision bias is, to focus on certain cues and see more '3d'. I too can look at a picture and see a flat image or, with focus, have a perception of depth. I think most people can.

Where I'm baffled all in is when Raaiid describes not seeing the 3d effect in reality BUT SEEING IT IN A 3D MOVIE! I think he just tends to ignore the effect in real life (like most everyone else) without realising its there, and after going to a 3d movie where the effect is often exaggerated with excessive seperation or where the sheer visual drama gives it a big wow factor, he now expects reality to 'wow' him in the same way. But reality isn't as novel as Avatar. Well raaiid, go up in a plane, or grand canyon, or other such things and youll realise that theres a heck of a '3d' effect going on there!

I should also mention that, apart from 3d vision, for your average home user putting a fresnel lense, which straightens out light to infinity, in front of your monitor will give you a depth perception effect all on its own, will reduce eyestrain and will strengthen the 3d effect with stereoscopic glasses. We can't control for all factors in games/cinema, but we can give enough cues to build a very respectable 3d effect.

[raaaid]

well maybe my asumption im normal is not correct

the thing is that i see everything flat except 3d movies

but im learning to control my 3d perception

im learning to see 3d by crosing very slightly my eyes without seeing blurred, that is unfocused, so i can have at will a 3d or flat perception

[raaaid]

Originally Posted by irR4tiOn4L

Where I'm baffled all in is when Raaiid describes not seeing the 3d effect in reality BUT SEEING IT IN A 3D MOVIE!

actually by ailantd description of seeing the bar double in that 3d video im pondering if its you who dont notice 3d in movies

also your comment of keep seeing 3d with one eye closed, that doesnt work in a 3d movie you can test those samples

[Ailantd]

Originally Posted by irR4tiOn4L
Where I'm baffled all in is when Raaiid describes not seeing the 3d effect in reality BUT SEEING IT IN A 3D MOVIE!
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The problem is that raaid think real 3D is like in the movies, not like in the reality when the wrong effect is in the movies, not in the reality.

[Ailantd]

If you think you don´t see 3D in reality raaaid, close one eye, keep that eye closed, then go to the kitchen, open the water, pick a glasss ( in that order ) and only moving the glass, try to fill it. You will realize how hard is it with only one eye. You can try a lot of normal task wich require depth perception with only one eye. You will be sure you see in 3D. And that is to see in 3D, not the wow effect of movies. Inside a cave with correct configuration you don´t have that wow effect from movies, but things are there in their own space and you can feel that as well as in reality.

[irR4tiOn4L]

Raaaid, I always thought 3d movies were a social event where everyone partakes in the coolness of wearing sunglasses in a darkened room!

Seriously, please try what Ailantd is suggesting. You will realise how wonderful your eyesight and brain really are.

[raaaid]

well ailan is right i can fill a glass of water better with two eyes than with one eye

but thats not cuase i see in stereo but because my eyes do triangulation with wich i know the distance

but this is not an stereo perception, an stereo perception is that that you have in a 3d movie, real life depth perception is based on triangulation as the wiki points

i think i know why i(we?) dont have stereo perception in real life but do in 3d movies

you point it out yourself:

for the projected image to be right YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CENTER OF IT, if you look to a corner of the image the projection now is wrong, even with the cave case(unless you track your eyes and correct the projection according where youre eyes are looking at which i doubt)

so in artificial 3d your simulating the paralax of your eyes fixed which you CANT do in real life(you always cross the rays of the eyes in the object youre looking at)

again i doubt you have real stereo perception in real life according my research

to have stereo percepetion you need an amazing concious control of the near triad as the mayas(eye lens, parallax, iris opening)

this guy has not an eye problem but is setting depth perception on maximum as to look at the stars:



of course i lack that level of stereopsis, i can very slightly cross my eyes, intensifying depth perception, before losing it and start seeing double

the main problem with this is breaking the near triad sync, its very difficult cross the eyes and not lose focus though i can do it each day better

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theres a key point here which backs me up:

if in real life you close one eye you keep seeing the same, if in a 3d movie you close one eyes you lose depth perception TOTALLY

this is so self evident that negating the evidence makes you deluded, a majoritarial delusion, but still deluded nagating reality

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this is how anglienls see( you have to look through it to see it)



thats why theyre invisible, yet you can see them with the corner of your eye

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkyiqVnyCp4

also do you spot why this tank wouldnt be invisible if we had real 3d perception?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkkWya-oun0

the biggest advance in stereoscopy was in wwii where pictures from planes separated km away would be looked in stereo to detect camouflaged airports

how do you fight that invisible tank bs?

well im not designing weapons but its pretty easy to figure out, the same way you would to see an angel, look in stereo