Friday Update, April 6, 2012

[klem]

Originally Posted by Osprey

Right now I really couldn't give a monkeys about how well modeled a Russian village is. For 8 months I've had to put up with 109's massively outperforming the RAF, and it's getting worse because the 109 drivers are getting more experienced and make fewer mistakes. The only thing I am finding left now is surprise, once that is lost the fight becomes impossible. Can't even out-turn them half the time because of a stupid and incorrect implementation of the elevator trim on the 109 which means they can use it to pull lead, especially against the Hurricane.


It's an absolute joke, it really is.

Well while the FMs are SNAFU here's a possibly non-historical tip you could try. Put on about 5 degrees of flap in the Rotol Hurricane (about 1-1.5 seconds Flap Down then Flap Neutral). Tightens the turns a bit.

I don't think the 109 elevator trim trick can be historically accurate or at least widely used or history would tell us that the 109 out-turned the Hurricane and Spitfire instead of the other way round.

[salmo]

I tried building a simple mission today. Just a red HB & 2 blue enemy Ai flights & no scripts, but every time I ran it in FMB I got a CTD. This is simply unacceptable for a professonaly produced computer game.

We've heard urges for patience, and phases like 'we're working on it' or 'we're nearly there' for over 6 months now. I fear that the next patch (if it comes before BOM), will offer a small improvement in fps for some in the community but not address many of the critical bugs in the game. Anyone noticed how we get pics & info of BOM, but NO information on any of the critcal (non graphical) bugs in COD being fixed?

Quite frankly, (1) the next patch needs to improve gameplay to the extent that it re-engages public interest in the game, & (2) BOM would have to be exceptionally 'clean' & work well right from the start, otherwise IMO the COD franchise is dead.

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by 6S.Tamat

well talking about accuracy is well known that the hurricane had a big disadvantage with the emil.

Not in turning it didn't. My original post was about turning.

Why people are bringing up top speed and climb rates I don't know.

Originally Posted by klem

Well while the FMs are SNAFU here's a possibly non-historical tip you could try. Put on about 5 degrees of flap in the Rotol Hurricane (about 1-1.5 seconds Flap Down then Flap Neutral). Tightens the turns a bit.

I don't think the 109 elevator trim trick can be historically accurate or at least widely used or history would tell us that the 109 out-turned the Hurricane and Spitfire instead of the other way round.

Thankfully, an experience Hurricane crew member who agrees! I would rather blame the FM's than me - I've been flying too long

I do use flap when I have to but it totally burns my energy. Usually I will try to leave the fight when I've realised that the 109 pilot is not a beginner, but he's used to that too. I have force 109's into spins into the deck using flap, that's the most successful technique so far!

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by salmo

I tried building a simple mission today. Just a red HB & 2 blue enemy Ai flights & no scripts, but every time I ran it in FMB I got a CTD. This is simply unacceptable for a professonaly produced computer game.

We've heard urges for patience, and phases like 'we're working on it' or 'we're nearly there' for over 6 months now. I fear that the next patch (if it comes before BOM), will offer a small improvement in fps for some in the community but not address many of the critical bugs in the game. Anyone noticed how we get pics & info of BOM, but NO information on any of the critcal (non graphical) bugs in COD being fixed?

Quite frankly, (1) the next patch needs to improve gameplay to the extent that it re-engages public interest in the game, & (2) BOM would have to be exceptionally 'clean' & work well right from the start, otherwise IMO the COD franchise is dead.

It won't die because there are way too many desperate, stupid people dying to play this or nothing!

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by Osprey

It won't die because there are way too many desperate, stupid people dying to play this or nothing!

I guess that makes you desperate and stupid too. LOL, welcome to the club.

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by salmo

I tried building a simple mission today. Just a red HB & 2 blue enemy Ai flights & no scripts, but every time I ran it in FMB I got a CTD. This is simply unacceptable for a professonaly produced computer game.

We've heard urges for patience, and phases like 'we're working on it' or 'we're nearly there' for over 6 months now. I fear that the next patch (if it comes before BOM), will offer a small improvement in fps for some in the community but not address many of the critical bugs in the game. Anyone noticed how we get pics & info of BOM, but NO information on any of the critcal (non graphical) bugs in COD being fixed?

Quite frankly, (1) the next patch needs to improve gameplay to the extent that it re-engages public interest in the game, & (2) BOM would have to be exceptionally 'clean' & work well right from the start, otherwise IMO the COD franchise is dead.

The next patch addresses performance only so don't raise your hopes. Other fixes will follow in subsequent patches and I'm hoping they will take less time.

[salmo]

Originally Posted by Sutts

The next patch addresses performance only so don't raise your hopes. Other fixes will follow in subsequent patches and I'm hoping they will take less time.

Yes Sutts, that's my point. I think that there are probably a lot of players expecting far too much from the next patch. My understanding is that it addresses the graphics engine performance, and hopefully some bugs associated with graphics. It is unlikely to fix many (if any) of the miriad of other bugs in the game.

[Volksieg]

Originally Posted by salmo

...It is unlikely to fix many (if any) of the miriad of other bugs in the game.

It is just a graphics/performance patch. The devs have been incredibly clear on that so, if others are expecting more than a graphics/performance patch, more fool them.... that is their problem and noone else's.

I wouldn't say a 50-100% fps boost was exactly "small" either.... that is the difference between me going from 1280x720 to my native 1600x900...AND switching the shadows on..... infact, if all goes to plan, I'll be able to raise quite a few of those settings and, frankly, I think I've got the game running pretty smooth and looking gorgeous right now! My only real problem right now is the particle issue...... and they are working on that this very minute!

Of course, we could all end up incredibly disappointed but, frankly, that's life.

Even then.... doesn't mean it's over.... shout out to any "Gothic 3" or "Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines" players out there

[Fredfetish]

Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines ... my disk is damaged and I can't get the install to run through, otherwise I'd be spending a bit more time in the sewers than in the sky...

[Volksieg]

Originally Posted by Fredfetish

Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines ... my disk is damaged and I can't get the install to run through, otherwise I'd be spending a bit more time in the sewers than in the sky...

Shame about your disk there. Great game.... made great by the community! That's the thing... even if 1C never get this sim sorted and it fades into oblivion... it's only really over when the community says it is and there are enough people in this community with the brains and the knowhow to rustle up something. I sometimes get the feeling that some folks on this forum think that if CloD isn't fixed, someone is going to start executing their family members.

Positivity is a wonderful thing!