how are these 109s turns 180 with out penalties?

[Attila]

in my opinion the FM and DM is more worse after the last patch! Before in a 109 you had a good chance to outclimb a Hurri and after the Hurri was stalling or turn away you had the option to dive on the Hurri! After the patch there was no chance to do that!
The DM from the Spit is overmodeled i think! I have never made it to shoot a Spits wing away, what is no problem to do it on a Hurri. The 109 is made of paper on this DM! Thats what i think about it!

[vnvv_stea]

Oleg: Pilots win dogfights. Not airplanes. If a pilot is not particularly good, regardless of a plane, he’ll always have a sinking feeling that something somewhere is wrong… and not everyone is willing to admit that the fault lies within.

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by vnvv_stea

Oleg: Pilots win dogfights. Not airplanes. If a pilot is not particularly good, regardless of a plane, he’ll always have a sinking feeling that something somewhere is wrong… and not everyone is willing to admit that the fault lies within.

Hehe I remember that, probably around the time the P51 was introduced with the AEP . iirc




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[bw_wolverine]

Originally Posted by vnvv_stea

Oleg: Pilots win dogfights. Not airplanes. If a pilot is not particularly good, regardless of a plane, he’ll always have a sinking feeling that something somewhere is wrong… and not everyone is willing to admit that the fault lies within.

Pilots win dogfights. Dogfights don't win wars.

[vnvv_stea]

Originally Posted by Attila

in my opinion the FM and DM is more worse after the last patch! Before in a 109 you had a good chance to outclimb a Hurri and after the Hurri was stalling or turn away you had the option to dive on the Hurri! After the patch there was no chance to do that!
The DM from the Spit is overmodeled i think! I have never made it to shoot a Spits wing away, what is no problem to do it on a Hurri. The 109 is made of paper on this DM! Thats what i think about it!

+1

[recoilfx]

Originally Posted by Attila

in my opinion the FM and DM is more worse after the last patch! Before in a 109 you had a good chance to outclimb a Hurri and after the Hurri was stalling or turn away you had the option to dive on the Hurri! After the patch there was no chance to do that!
The DM from the Spit is overmodeled i think! I have never made it to shoot a Spits wing away, what is no problem to do it on a Hurri. The 109 is made of paper on this DM! Thats what i think about it!

Attila, I hope you are being sarcastic.

If the performance of 109 did worsen, then I have no idea how lot of us are still out climbing the brits

Were you flying the e3 or the e4? They have worse (e4 has the worst) climb rate, but they are still better than the brits (minus the Spit IIas). If they are on your six already, you won't be able to just climb away unless they are bad shots.

Also, remember that players' skill improve, the same people who shot you down 6 months ago must have improved their gunnery and flying skills.

[addman]

Originally Posted by recoilfx

Attila, I hope you are being sarcastic.

If the performance of 109 did worsen, then I have no idea how lot of us are still out climbing the brits

Were you flying the e3 or the e4? They have worse (e4 has the worst) climb rate, but they are still better than the brits (minus the Spit IIas). If they are on your six already, you won't be able to just climb away unless they are bad shots.

Also, remember that players' skill improve, the same people who shot you down 6 months ago must have improved their gunnery and flying skills.

Exactly! Last night on ATAG when I flew my Hurricane (no rotol!) I got really humiliated by a 109 pilot. He was yo-yoing up and down whilst I was on the deck desperately trying to meet him head-on at every pass he made. I had the biggest of luck though, I hit him in the first pass and he got a fuel leak which he didn't notice so after quite a few minutes of desperate evasive maneuvers he finally ran out of juice and took a dip in to the cold channel.

As I said before, if it's a good pilot the 109 is absolutely deadly.