Anyone remember a sim that divided us as much as COD?

[robtek]

Eehh, 6S.Manu,

whining is NEVER productive and by no means related to constructive criticism!

Whining is what happens after the states of constructive criticism and then nagging criticism!

[Corto]

And now for something completely different....



How do we celebrate the first birthday of COD ?

Any suggestions?

[DroopSnoot]

play it maybe

[6S.Manu]

Originally Posted by robtek

Eehh, 6S.Manu,

whining is NEVER productive and by no means related to constructive criticism!

Whining is what happens after the states of constructive criticism and then nagging criticism!

Language barrier's issue here... with whining I mean making clear that the problem is, not senseless crying or name calling... very few here are actually crying IMO, so it's no a valid reason to attack every "whiner" (the former type) as guard dogs...

A real life example: I work as developer of industrial software (italian shoes) and I'm in contact with many persons who are "allergic" to PC... you know, guys pressing on the keyboards with the forefingers alone.

One of my biggest problem is not thinking to these guys when I'm develping a new version, and so there will be a function not really user-friendly.
The program is working in the right way but some of these persons write to me with constructive criticism ("it might be better if the UI is made in this way"), others whine (even in offensive ways...) by telephone/email since they don't understand how to use the program.

In BOTH cases I must accept what they're saying (because it's true, the application IS NOT user-friendly) and so I analyze the issue together with my boss and decide if the UI have to be reworked.

And here we are talking about a working software... if it does not work there's nothing to talk about... you make the update now.

I can't ignore them... I (or the boss) answer to them in a honest way ("Good, we're going to change the UI" or "The development of that UI needs too much time and it's not crucial: we'll do in the next months, be patient").

They are my customers... if I don't listen to them I can't improve my application (I know nothing about shoes' production or selling) and above all I lose them.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by 6S.Manu

Language barrier's issue here...

Fair enough

Originally Posted by 6S.Manu

with whining I mean making clear that the problem is, not senseless crying or name calling...

whichever way you put it (and the problem is the "senseless crying and name calling") whining, whinging, harrassing, vitriol, vindictive, carry on, etc... at some stage the whining takes its toll (as it has) Now, if you had your customers whine in an offensive way continually and over and over and over and over about the same thing, demanding this and demanding that, stomping all over your efforts and virtually attempting blackmail (well there's nothing virtual about emotional blackmail - it hurts) even you at some point would think (and react accordingly) "%#$!& this!", close responses/ filter incoming "critiscism and keep at it until your product was, in your view, acceptable to them and give it a go to them...and for what?? well, hopefully for acceptance and praise (and a bunch of happy vegemites).

Now what happened? Some respect was shown, threads quietened down/ some positive threads were made and a response came.

[6S.Manu]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Now what happened? Some respect was shown, threads quietened down/ some positive threads were made and a response came.

IMO it's because it's CloD was release exactly one year ago...

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by 6S.Manu

IMO it's because it's CloD was release exactly one year ago...

well, you have your IMO and others have theirs How's your research going??

[6S.Manu]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

well, you have your IMO and others have theirs How's your research going??

Research? It's your time to prove me that Ubi forced the release.

Still I post you a FACT:

Originally Posted by luthier

We know that even a year after the initial release many of you are still unhappy with many aspects of the game. We are painfully aware of your unhappiness. For me personally, it’s a constant feeling in the back of my head. It drives me and motivates me, and I in turn use it to drive and motivate the team. It is at the same time very humbling. I personally want to apologize to the community once again for the state of the game at release, and I want to thank you for sticking around this long and continuing to give us a chance to redeem ourselves.

God Bless the whiners...

[Wolf_Rider]

you mean the constructive critiscisms, don't you? not the whinging surely?

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by 6S.Manu

God Bless the whiners...

Looks like you hit the thing called 'language barrier' again