Fresh stuff from sukhoi.ru (Discussion)

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by bw_wolverine

Have you flown the Hurricane with half a wing missing? It's not exactly easy.

I've had this happen to me a couple of times. Flying it back to base is very difficult and you have no possibility to do any real evasive moves without going into a spin. Attacking anything other than a target that is unaware or unable/unwilling to evade is pretty much impossible.

Plenty of real planes took damage like this and flew back home if enough of the wing was left to create lift on that side.

I find the exploding 109 thing far more frustrating from a DM point of view. I watched a 109 explode not once, but TWICE and keep flying along and evading and ATTACKING.

I believe you. But I've seen the entire scene of the wingless Hurry (about 50% of the wing) from a very close position . It was quite unrealistic, the plane didn't oscillate a bit, it looked very stable, she did an almost perfect turn and glided back towards base. I didn't finish her on purpose - I love posing as a gentle knight . By the way I had the same experience on a 109, I was able to fly her back and ditch without half a wing.

[Insuber]

A recent message by B6, very appropriate to the current debate:

B6:
<<<<You can close your eyes for a message containing a pure and perfect hatred for us and our work. It happens. However, most of the negative posts, the forum on the west for example, is based on a completely fair reproach and conclusions. Another question that they are not of interest because of the repetitive, but the problem of this does not disappear, and it has to be dealt with. What I write here - so far only my vision of the situation and recommendations of the top, this is not a final decision is not leadership.>>>>



As I said, he is a nice guy

[zapatista]

so are you folks reporting those bugs in the bug thread ?

kinda pointless being frustrated about it if there isnt a steady stream of reports about those problems, and luthier and Co wont come looking in obscure other threads for crumbs of info

[bw_wolverine]

Originally Posted by zapatista

so are you folks reporting those bugs in the bug thread ?

kinda pointless being frustrated about it if there isnt a steady stream of reports about those problems, and luthier and Co wont come looking in obscure other threads for crumbs of info

All of these have been reported long ago.

Frankly, if they took care of HALF of what has been reported, I would call that a good day.

As for the 'oscillation', I doubt the vibrations would be visible from another plane or even that noticeable from inside it unless you're really really close to something (like the ground on landing). Landing in one of those half winged planes is quite a trick to do well. Aside from that, it's fun to try and nurse a severely damaged plane home. So, as bugs go, it happens rarely enough and provides a bit of fun. The only people who really aren't happy with it are those who want the kill (and if they really want it, the guy isn't in a position to fight back anyway, so just make another pass).

As for B6's comments above, regardless of how 'justified' a lot of what is being said on these forums is, I sincerely hope that the level of conversation can at least be raised up. Arguing that the product isn't finished might be cathartic, but at this point, there's no need for any more of it. They know what they need to do. Let them get on with it. There IS a patch coming. Once they deliver it, then we go back and see what is left to fix and request that they do it.

[Liz Lemon]

You can also fly aircraft with ripped off wings in other flight sims; http://forjets.netfirms.com/page5.html

[CWMV]

A 109 is no Avenger.

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by Liz Lemon

You can also fly aircraft with ripped off wings in other flight sims; http://forjets.netfirms.com/page5.html

I've seen that photo several times. But it looks that all the reports/pictures of "half a wing missing and flying straight" regard only a handful models of planes, namely heavy and stable ones (P47, TBD Avengers ...). I would be curious to know if swift & unstable planes (109, Spitfires, Hawker Hurricanes) would offer the same behavior, from an aerodynamic point of view. But this is a bit OT

[Flanker35M]

S!

And this Avenger crashed into sea near the CV group because it could not land and it had been a handfull to fly. There is more to the story than just the pic And even in pic you see the pilot is not sitting relaxed to keep the plane in control..lot of work as it seems to me.

[ElAurens]

Originally Posted by Insuber

I've seen that photo several times. But it looks that all the reports/pictures of "half a wing missing and flying straight" regard only a handful models of planes, namely heavy and stable ones (P47, TBD Avengers ...). I would be curious to know if swift & unstable planes (109, Spitfires, Hawker Hurricanes) would offer the same behavior, from an aerodynamic point of view. But this is a bit OT

Hurricane swift and unstable? Not any I've ever flew in IL2 or Cliffs.



But I admit, it's been a while.