Inaccurate performance data for BOB fighters in COD comparing to RL data

[TomcatViP]

The Spit II was introduced in august in OTU.

Regarding the armoured windshield I hd the same remark as KF looking at the picture... weird.

Spit II was introduced a bit latter during BoB. Link Alrdy posted on ATAG

http://plane-crazy.purplecloud.net/A...e%20mk%202.htm

[NZtyphoon]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

Regarding the armoured windshield I hd the same remark as KF looking at the picture... weird.

The attached photo http://spitfiresite.com/2007/10/earl...on-rauxaf.html is of a Spitfire I of 611 Sqn taken at Digby http://www.611squadronrauxaf.co.uk/history/Brief.html during a press day in February 1940. (Alfred Price, Spitfire MkI/II Aces 1939-41, 1996 p. 11.) The armoured windscreen, fuel tank cover and bulged canopy is obvious, as is the straight aerial mast and early markings without finflash and serial number, the latter a feature of K and L series Spitfire Is built pre-war. (Ted Hooton, Spitfire Camouflage 1938-1940, Scale Aircraft Modeling Vol 5 No. 7 November 1982.)

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

The Spit II was introduced in august in OTU.

Regarding the armoured windshield I hd the same remark as KF looking at the picture... weird.

Spit II was introduced a bit latter during BoB. Link Alrdy posted on ATAG

http://plane-crazy.purplecloud.net/A...e%20mk%202.htm

seems you didn't take the time to check the link I just posted yesterday (see above) !

This Spit is on display in UK. You might hve the oportunity to check it by your own eyes

[41Sqn_Banks]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

seems you didn't take the time to check the link I just posted yesterday (see above) !

This Spit is on display in UK. You might hve the oportunity to check it by your own eyes

I did check your link yesterday. But it only provides the history of a single aircraft (Spitfire II, Serial No. P7350) which was, according to your link, first delivered to No. 6 Maintenance Unit* in August 1940 and to No. 266 Squadron in September 1940. It was assigned to No. 57 Operational Training Unit in March 1942.

*every aircraft of was first assigned to a Maintenance Unit and than transferred to a Squadron.

I don't understand how you conclude from this link that the Spitfire II was first introduced in August 1940 in OTUs and wasn't used operational before September 1940.

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Banks

I don't understand how you conclude from this link that the Spitfire II was first introduced in August 1940 in OTUs and wasn't used operational before September 1940.

I don't !

Did I ?

just mixed MU and OTU.

September ! september ! september !

[41Sqn_Banks]

Ok, mixing abbreviations can happen.


Not September, but August.

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/no611-orb.jpg

16/8/1940 "A" Flight used the new Spitfires for the first time in operations.

[TomcatViP]

Banks, "my" Spit II is the 14th ever produced (Castel Brwnich) and made it in OP the 6th september.

It's hard to imagine any significant use of the II during august

A short abstract of the MkII history :
http://www.historyofwar.org/articles...fire_mkII.html

[41Sqn_Banks]

Even your own link says says that the first squadron (No. 611) received them in August 1940. Then there are excerpts from the Operational Record Book of No. 611 Squadron which confirm the first operational use in August 1940. http://www.spitfireperformance.com/no611-orb.jpg

But obviously your claim switched from "service introduction" to "significant use". There was significant use in one squadron. Significant use in whole Fighter Command is of course a different story.

[Kurfürst]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

It's hard to imagine any significant use of the II during august

It happened in Laneworld. You know, the place where Spitfires were flying with armor, CSPs and 100 octane since before the war.

[NZtyphoon]

The only unit using the Mk II in combat from August - September was 611 Sqn based at Digby; the first significant action I can find in The Battle of Britain Then and Now Vol V was on 21st August when P7290, P7304, P7303, P7292 (P7305 damaged hitting a chock while landing) were damaged during combat against Do 17s of KG2: one Do 17 was shot down while two collided and crashed (pp.373, 591).

The next entry is for September 9 when P7320 force landed, out of fuel, then September 11 when P7298 was set light during combat and crashed, while P3721 was heavily damaged by an He 111 and crashed on landing category C2 (pp 441, 446). Other units to start equipping in September included 74, 266 and 603 Sqns, although there seemed to be some swapping around, and 421 Flight (later 91 Sqn).