4.11 General debugging

[-=MadCat=-]

You're right Aviar !

I indeed forgot to mention I'm talking about DF missions, where you access the plane list via the arming screen.

As mentioned by IceFire, the possibility of the plane limitations causing this, I have missions with either type.
Both resulting in the same behavior to as planes getting added to the bottom of the list (inside the mission itself).
Whereas they fall in place in the FMB just as usual.

It's by far not a major issue but this way, looking for a specific plane, you are required checking in its normal spot and at the bottom of the list.

In addition to this, the line in the conf.ini, for either having the planes sorted as usual or alphabetically, seems to only apply to the QMB but not to online missions (again, just tried DF).
Don't know if it's intendet to work that way or not.

Thx for giving your thoughts on this !

[Phabius]

I don't know if it was mentioned before, but...

In QMB, often there's an aircraft with it's nose stuck in the ground (like it crash landed), since the begining of the mission. If you cicle through enemy planes, there it is. Usually I've seen Bf109s, but today I saw a pink untextured Mosquito. And it was making gun sounds like there were some ground units near it. But it was outside the map area, with nothing nearby. This case was with the Bessarabia map.

Changed the map to Slovakia Summer. The pink untextured Mosquito was still there, but no sounds. Changed to Normandy 1 map, and it was there but with its belly to the ground.

When you reset QMB, and with other configuration of aircraft (both friendly and enemy) strange crashed planes may not appear...

[-=MadCat=-]

Digged out an old one.

The BK 3.7 for the Bf110 still fires below gunsight center.
Tested with 100, 200, 400, 800 meters convergence, all same result.

The BK 3.7 for Hs129 however seems to be alright, goes high over gunsight center for 100m (crossing center at 100m I'd say), slightly high past 200m (again I guess crossing center at 200m) and further out it's very well centered.

As for the BK 7.5 on the Hs129 B-3, that one behaves the other way round.
It goes low on short convergences and climbs with longer convergences until it hits gunsight center at ~700m.

Tests were done on the ground with chocks set, so slightly elevated barrels. I don't know how much gravity comes into play for this setup, but it was the best way having a still and stable platform to observe the tracers.
If the ballistics are intented this way let me know, else I'd say the BK 3.7 (Hs129) is right, both others are off.

All have a nice weekend !!!

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by -=MadCat=-

You're right Aviar !

I indeed forgot to mention I'm talking about DF missions, where you access the plane list via the arming screen.

As mentioned by IceFire, the possibility of the plane limitations causing this, I have missions with either type.
Both resulting in the same behavior to as planes getting added to the bottom of the list (inside the mission itself).
Whereas they fall in place in the FMB just as usual.

It's by far not a major issue but this way, looking for a specific plane, you are required checking in its normal spot and at the bottom of the list.

In addition to this, the line in the conf.ini, for either having the planes sorted as usual or alphabetically, seems to only apply to the QMB but not to online missions (again, just tried DF).
Don't know if it's intendet to work that way or not.

Thx for giving your thoughts on this !

I wasn't sure if it was the limitations but I had assumed it might be the case. I will do a little more testing on this if I have a moment.

[Ra'Kaan]

Originally Posted by IceFire

TBH I had dismissed this as me being a little bit too OCD... ...

Oh good, it's not just me.

Actually, my OCD is the default naming convention in the folder\file view architecture.

One of these days, I'm gonna have a HUGE aircraft re-naming session so all my lists are ordered perhaps by country or manufacturer name...

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Originally Posted by -=MadCat=-

Digged out an old one.

The BK 3.7 for the Bf110 still fires below gunsight center.
Tested with 100, 200, 400, 800 meters convergence, all same result.

The BK 3.7 for Hs129 however seems to be alright, goes high over gunsight center for 100m (crossing center at 100m I'd say), slightly high past 200m (again I guess crossing center at 200m) and further out it's very well centered.

As for the BK 7.5 on the Hs129 B-3, that one behaves the other way round.
It goes low on short convergences and climbs with longer convergences until it hits gunsight center at ~700m.

Tests were done on the ground with chocks set, so slightly elevated barrels. I don't know how much gravity comes into play for this setup, but it was the best way having a still and stable platform to observe the tracers.
If the ballistics are intented this way let me know, else I'd say the BK 3.7 (Hs129) is right, both others are off.

All have a nice weekend !!!

Try it inflight at targets. Watching tracers is not a good test.
I see no problems with aiming and hitting.

[Luno13]

Hi DT,

Holes are missing in damaged P-40 (I believe M in this case) :



Textures of placards by the engine controls in the Pe-2 cockpit are flickering:

[-=MadCat=-]

Back from some quick tests I just did.

This time I set up a FMB mission with 4 B-29 as "Target Drones" and a Bf110 / Hs 129 for me (both armed with BK 3.7).

Bf110:
Ordered the 4 B-29 to fly a straight path across the map with 400 km/h at 1000m altitude.
Convergence for cannons was set to my usual 400 meters (didnt test other convergences now).

According to Wikipedia the BK 3.7 used in the Ju87 had a muzzle velocity of 780 - 1170 m/s, so I estimated a rough 950m/s (const.) for this test.
For the projectile to cover 400m it takes ~0.42 seconds, where the B-29 covers ~50m. So I took my shots from ~350m distance, primarily aiming for the engines 2 and 3.
Result was the bullets going too low, no hits unless I aimed over the wing or when my aim was sluggish and I didn't keep the plane stable. I took about 30 to 40 shots.
In addition I discovered a pattern, every 3rd shot goes sligtly low but still low, the 2 shots in between go way low.

Hs 129:
Adjusting the bombers' speed to 300 km/h and after taking the moving system into account again, I took my shots from about 360m.
This time aiming for engines 1 and 4.
5 shots 4 dead or burning engines, with the sight right on the engine nacelles. I give that one missed shot to my sluggish aim again.
In total I did about 10 shots with the Hs 129, but it got clear early that the bullets went where I aimed.

I might do more testing when there is more time, but so far my first impression got confirmed.
I even think taking a moving system into the equasion with muzzle velocity, travel time and bla wouldn't be necessary, but hey.

Once time permits and I did more testing on this, I will report further results.
In the mean time, maybe someone else could try some testing too, so we get more results from more than just 1 person.

So far thx all, have a good evening !

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

I tried all in a fast rough test at ground targets and recieved very high percentage of hits.
There is some random dispersion, which may influence.

However, it will be looked into. Thanks!

[-=MadCat=-]

Thank you Caspar !

I don't think my tests are the all and end of how to test stuff.
Maybe I'm really missing something or doing something wrong, I'd not take bets that the error isn't on my end.
It's just the the way how well the BK3.7 of the Hs129 alligns with the sight and with the Bf110 I always have the feeling and observe my shots traveling below gunsight center,
that makes me scratch my head.
I just like to point out stuff that I notice, even if this leads to the confirmation that all's right the way it is and it's just me at the end having trouble aiming with the BK3.7.

Thank you all, you do a marvelous job !