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Old 01-31-2012, 07:19 PM
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On one hand I'm happy for the aviaton market as a whole as this is a major boost to Dassault who operate in a Europe that doesn't really have a variety of aircraft companies any more (and those that it does have spend too much time cooperating with each other, which the pro-EU and pro-European in me loves, but the aircraft enthusiast in me hates as it leads to a lack of variety of planes to look at ), so it's nice to see Dassault getting some cash that might hopefully mean we see more from them in the future.

On the other hand, being British, I'm a bit miffed that the money didn't end up in the hands of BAe Systems, but you can't have the best of both worlds, so mustn't grumble I suppose
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Old 01-31-2012, 07:25 PM
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But what about the fm/dm?
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Old 01-31-2012, 08:15 PM
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Thank you India for choosing the french ahead of us. All those Brit connections paid off I see, but you bought the worse machine. Bad luck.
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Old 01-31-2012, 08:32 PM
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The Germans were running with this one on behalf of Euro-fighter, (would that make it Gmbh?) BAE got the Saudi deal. Anyway, it wouldn't be the first time Dassault's been to the altar and been jilted, so it ain't over yet. I'd agree that Tiffie's by far the better combat system but it's expensive and so much about this sort of thing is to do with dimensions beyond the combat efficacy of the product. It may well be that, in addition to price, aspects such as technology transfer, which is a subject very dear to India, were much sweeter with the Rafale. It's election year in France, I dare say the Indians will be looking to seal the deal before election day to ensure the best outcome for themselves.
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Old 01-31-2012, 08:35 PM
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You know, would it've killed Dassault to have made that refuelling probe retractable?
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Old 01-31-2012, 08:34 PM
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Thank you India for choosing the french ahead of us. All those Brit connections paid off I see, but you bought the worse machine. Bad luck.
LOL! There goes a dent on British pride...

Agreed, the Brit connections paid off, they did not forget... LOL, LOL...

And for the objective part, I presume you know why a single role combat aircraft (converted to multi-role) is better than a multi-role aircraft all together.

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Old 01-31-2012, 08:44 PM
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LOL! There goes a dent on British pride...

Agreed, the Brit connections paid off, they did not forget... LOL, LOL...

And for the objective part, I presume you know why a single role combat aircraft (converted to multi-role) is better than a multi-role aircraft all together.

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Not sure I agree with how that point is made, but it's still fair enough. If Libya has taught us anything, it's that that Eurofighter needs to undergo serious development to become a decent multirole aircraft. There's a reason we're still using Tornados for the ground attack role, simply because the Eurofighter still hasn't met that capability yet. It's like strapping bombs on a Spitfire - sure, it works just fine, but it's not what it's designed for and there are aircraft that can do the job much better, freeing the fighters up to do what they were designed for.
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Old 02-01-2012, 07:30 AM
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Not sure I agree with how that point is made, but it's still fair enough. If Libya has taught us anything, it's that that Eurofighter needs to undergo serious development to become a decent multirole aircraft. There's a reason we're still using Tornados for the ground attack role, simply because the Eurofighter still hasn't met that capability yet. It's like strapping bombs on a Spitfire - sure, it works just fine, but it's not what it's designed for and there are aircraft that can do the job much better, freeing the fighters up to do what they were designed for.

I admit yours is a much more balanced statement, sorry for been cheeky at my previous post.

Eurofighter is a great plane, for what it was developed for.
It is unfortunate that somewhere along the timeline, armies requirements changed somewhat and now a lot of armies favour a multi-purpose platform instead of an air superiority plane.

@Ploughman: The Rafal is a very beautiful plane, much more good looking than the Eurofighter!
"would it've killed Dassault to have made that refuelling probe retractable? " LOL! +1000 !


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Old 02-01-2012, 08:38 AM
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Nice to see all that aid money being put to good use.
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Old 02-01-2012, 03:08 PM
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I admit yours is a much more balanced statement, sorry for been cheeky at my previous post.

Eurofighter is a great plane, for what it was developed for.
It is unfortunate that somewhere along the timeline, armies requirements changed somewhat and now a lot of armies favour a multi-purpose platform instead of an air superiority plane.

@Ploughman: The Rafal is a very beautiful plane, much more good looking than the Eurofighter!
"would it've killed Dassault to have made that refuelling probe retractable? " LOL! +1000 !


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No worries The main 'problem' with the Eurofighter is that really it was designed at the tail-end of the cold war when the requirements for a fighter were different, as in more geared around fast takeoff and rate of climb to intercept the pesky Tupolev Bears and the like rather than an air-superiority fighter in the more modern sense. It's come a long way in meeting that role now but it's still got a way to go to become a reliable and useful multi-role aircraft, for which it was never really designed but could still meet. I've heard of the figure of 5 years being chucked around in some magazines, at which point it will apparently be better than the Rafale, but I'm not sure if they're talking about the Eurofighter being better in 5 years than the Rafale is now, or if both were updated the Eurofighter being better in 5 years time. We'll see I suppose.

Anyway, there's no point getting all hurt about it, sure we didn't get the deal but it's not like India didn't accept it because the Eurofighter is British (which it isn't even fully British). If India chose the Rafale it's because they deemed it the better option for them, or at least the cheaper option for them, it's not a personal insult aimed at us.
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