Friday Update, January 27, 2012

Originally Posted by Ataros

The link does not work any more but I have quotes from that thread here http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...postcount=1131

Jason says that all the malcontents and whiners did too much damage to their project. And I know that they moderate their forums much more strictly than 1C.

That is an interesting comment from Jason. So why so ''many'' malcontents and whiners if the '' others'' consider the game very satisfying ?
What defines the boundaries between unjustifed whining and unsatisfied customers ? Does it mean the game works well for 70 % of the clientele , and the other 30 % will never get it to work because of their plateform , CPUs and GPUs , wich 777 cannot control ? Do all developpers really beleive they can achieve a 100% working product for 100% of their customers ?
I dont think so. It would be then be normal to have quite e few very unhappy guys crying for injustice on the forums. They would get flamed, but if the product isnt working for them, can we just kik them off ?
And is the number of complain really representative of the success rate ?
Would it mean the game is NOT built for large audiences ?
Lets face it, those niche sims are very hard to build. The clientele is very demanding. This is reality.
So why a forum ? What is the purpose of a forum ? Who needs it ?
Wouldn't 1C be better off with a only read forum with updates with few comments from the developpers at this point ? THey dont need our feedback anymore...Even the positive ones. They certainly dont need the negative either.

Salute !

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by kalimba

That is an interesting comment from Jason. So why so ''many'' malcontents and whiners if the '' others'' consider the game very satisfying ?
What defines the boundaries between unjustifed whining and unsatisfied customers ? Does it mean the game works well for 70 % of the clientele , and the other 30 % will never get it to work because of their plateform , CPUs and GPUs , wich 777 cannot control ? Do all developpers really beleive they can achieve a 100% working product for 100% of their customers ?
I dont think so. It would be then be normal to have quite e few very unhappy guys crying for injustice on the forums. They would get flamed, but if the product isnt working for them, can we just kik them off ?
And is the number of complain really representative of the success rate ?
Would it mean the game is NOT built for large audiences ?
Lets face it, those niche sims are very hard to build. The clientele is very demanding. This is reality.
So why a forum ? What is the purpose of a forum ? Who needs it ?
Wouldn't 1C be better off with a only read forum with updates with few comments from the developpers at this point ? THey dont need our feedback anymore...Even the positive ones. They certainly dont need the negative either.

Salute !

Because there still is the idea of a working community going around, with people exchanging ideas and skins, tactics, finding squads and friends to fly with, instead of a place some individuals go in only to vent their real life furstrations though the proxy of this game and ruining it for everybody else because they consider themselves and their individual happyness the center of the universe.

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Because there still is the idea of a working community going around, with people exchanging ideas and skins, tactics, finding squads and friends to fly with, instead of a place some individuals go in only to vent their real life furstrations though the proxy of this game and ruining it for everybody else because they consider themselves and their individual happyness the center of the universe.

That is true, but also problematic. How can you avoid '' damage'' to a product like Jason described in his post, and keeping the forum alive ?
By removing all the bad comments ? Forum are here so everyone can express their opinions, and if someone who is new in this community wants to know if it is worth spending $60.00 and PC updates for a game, he is entiteled to all the feedbacks. So what is the good of a forum, if it is also the reason why a game is canned ? How do you deal with that ?
I understand that we may have our post deleted for speculating, or badmouthing without knowing the fact about some issues, but what then when we do have the information ? Having the information does give credential to good AND bad comments.
And yes, individual happyness is everyone ultimate goal in life. It his how you manage to reach it that makes the difference.
SAlute !

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by kalimba

That is true, but also problematic. How can you avoid '' damage'' to a product like Jason described in his post, and keeping the forum alive ?
By removing all the bad comments ? Forum are here so everyone can express their opinions, and if someone who is new in this community wants to know if it is worth spending $60.00 and PC updates for a game, he is entiteled to all the feedbacks. So what is the good of a forum, if it is also the reason why a game is canned ? How do you deal with that ?
I understand that we may have our post deleted for speculating, or badmouthing without knowing the fact about some issues, but what then when we do have the information ? Having the information does give credential to good AND bad comments.
And yes, individual happyness is everyone ultimate goal in life. It his how you manage to reach it that makes the difference.
SAlute !

Actually i am not a fan of banning or deleting comments at all. Or even closing threads. Move them to a "special" bin section maybe if it really does not work out otherwise and if ppl "directly" attack mods after getting warned, also ban them.

IMHO it's up to a community to take over the responsebility to make it work. Unluckily these days so many folks consider themselves the only person that matters, Ayn Rand style, to a degree that a constructive community is hard to achieve. I am also at a loss on how to fix it when all what people are worried about is money. Guess they will have to choke themselves to death before they realize that going into a community with blazing guns demanding all the goodies, or else! usually has some negative effects in the long run.

[secretone]

I appreciate your endless efforts to bring us this cutting-edge simulation!

The I-16 model that you have shown us today is absolutely beautiful!

[skouras]

thanks for the update B6 and team

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Actually i am not a fan of banning or deleting comments at all. Or even closing threads. Move them to a "special" bin section maybe if it really does not work out otherwise and if ppl "directly" attack mods after getting warned, also ban them.

IMHO it's up to a community to take over the responsebility to make it work. Unluckily these days so many folks consider themselves the only person that matters, Ayn Rand style, to a degree that a constructive community is hard to achieve. I am also at a loss on how to fix it when all what people are worried about is money. Guess they will have to choke themselves to death before they realize that going into a community with blazing guns demanding all the goodies, or else! usually has some negative effects in the long run.

Agreed on both points. I did suggest to one moderator to have a ''special'' thread where we could vent out a bit. Of course, personnal attacks and bad language would have been forbidden...well, my thread was deleted by this moderator! I would say that the age span here is quite large. So are individuals values and cultures. It would be nice for the community to auto-behave and auto-regulate itself, but we are like a small town here. We need governance. About the money...Well, I am into RC with my 7 yo kid now.
I bought a top simulation..Very nice. $130.00 for the sim, and $40.00 for the remote. Its niche and its good. Works flawlessly. 150 models perfectly rendered and FM to match... IMHO, this is what we should pay for COD ...100% working of course

Salute !