The Crystal Ball

[furbs]

Originally Posted by Robert

And yet Luthier gives a clear road map about what they're trying to fix/not fix at the current moment and you're the first to chime in about something not immediately relevent to the upadate like Anistropic Filtering. You expect us to believe that you wouldn't complain about being beta testers for an incomplete project had they been forth coming?

does this road map say when the FM, DM, CEM, AI, crashes and sound will be fixed?

How much so far on that road map has been fixed?

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by furbs

does this road map say when the FM, DM, CEM, AI, crashes and sound will be fixed?

How much so far on that road map has been fixed?

Fixed?.....no, nothings ever fixed with games, improved?......yes by comparisson to release, when the next patch is released we will see more improvement, I don't think you will ever find anyone that will give you a fixed date on when a patch will be done for any game.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Fixed?.....no, nothings ever fixed with games, improved?......yes by comparisson to release, when the next patch is released we will see more improvement, I don't think you will ever find anyone that will give you a fixed date on when a patch will be done for any game.

Sad part of all this even if 1C could 'fix' <insert your whine here> most wouldn't even realize it..

For example.. take DM's..

If you want to see something REAL FUNNY ask the next person that makes the claim that the DM is 'broken' to explain just what it is about the DM that 'consider' to be broken..

Brace yourself first!

Because if they even bother to 'try' and explain it, as opposed to attacking you personally for asking them to explain it, you will be presented with a 'reply' heavy/full of 'opinion' and light/empty of 'facts'..

Why?

Well because the DM is one of those things for which there is no 'right' answer!

Thus each flight sim makers does what they consider (read opinion) to be correct.

Which means it comes down to one opinion vs. another, thus no mater what 1C does to the DM it will be viewed by some as 'fixed' and viewed by others as 'broken'.

Think that is bad? Well on an even sadder note, Take things like FMs where there actually is a right answer, even in those cases you will find some that will insert their 'opinion' as to why the 'real world data' that 1C used to 'simulate' the plane is wrong.

Knowing that, is the real reason 'why' this (nay any) sim will never be completely 'fixed' because.. Because most people base 'fixed' on thier opinions.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by furbs

Ok lets say when will the features work as intended?

When it's done.....at some point in the future........when the process of fixing the code has been accomplished..........when the devs are satisfied with the results

[Robert]

Originally Posted by furbs

does this road map say when the FM, DM, CEM, AI, crashes and sound will be fixed?

How much so far on that road map has been fixed?

I rest my case. You're looking at the wrong map. You also avoided my comment about whining regarding what's not included in an update. You or I my not like the road map or progress of the sim, but if the map points to one place (nevermind how small the distance is) it is a plan. Asking why we're not farther along matters not one bit.



Don't get me totally wrong, furbs. There are those on the other side of the fence who are just as vehement as you are and don't add significantly to the overall forum atmosphere. We all know the game's not perfect....

I chalk it up to being disappointed after a long protracted build of CoD. I understand that. But there has to be a point where folks realize that kvetching or over abundant praise helps no one.

I think the moderators are trying to reach that medium. Unfortunately it has come to moderation of posts and topics... including banning of members.

[furbs]

Originally Posted by Robert

I rest my case. You're looking at the wrong map. You also avoided my comment about whining regarding what's not included in an update. You or I my not like the road map or progress of the sim, but if the map points to one place (nevermind how small the distance is) it is a plan. Asking why we're not farther along matters not one bit.



Don't get me totally wrong, furbs. There are those on the other side of the fence who are just as vehement as you are and don't add significantly to the overall forum atmosphere. We all know the game's not perfect....

I chalk it up to being disappointed after a long protracted build of CoD. I understand that. But there has to be a point where folks realize that kvetching or over abundant praise helps no one.

I think the moderators are trying to reach that medium. Unfortunately it has come to moderation of posts and topics... including banning of members.

Yep agreed robtek, just as the "nothing wrong with the sim and your not allowed to say anything bad about it" crowd wind me and others up. i dont ask people not to post how much they enjoy it and are happy with it.

about the FSAA, how many times have i and other people asked? all i want is a straight answer.

i dont mind if you or anyone else dont believe me robtek but my earlier post IS how i feel.

ive spent 1500 quid on a PC on the stories we was told about CLOD and how it would be.



All i see is smoke and mirrors, patch padding, no fixes and a sim that has failed so far.
I hope it gets fixed, i hope CLOD one day represents the battle of its name and not "air quake lone wolf engagement over the coast"

Im going to stop the tit for tat posting but im not going to stop posting my opinion because i hope Luthier reads these forums, though i doubt that too.

[bongodriver]

Yep agreed robtek, just as the "nothing wrong with the sim and your not allowed to say anything bad about it"

These people are a fiction, never seen a single post by anyone here saying theres nothing wrong.

ive spent 1500 quid on a PC on the stories we was told about CLOD and how it would be.

you did what?

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by furbs

ive spent 1500 quid on a PC on the stories we was told about CLOD and how it would be.

Check out philip.ed's quote in my sig.. Even he admits we recived what was advertised.

As for 'stories' about what CoD would be..

Well they are just that..

Stories.

Combine that with peoples ability to blow things out of proportion and expect the moon and it is easy to see why some people are so upset..

That is to say that is a good 'reason' for them to be upset, but that is not a good 'excuse' for them to be upset.

[furbs]

Oleg himself said the AI would be much improved over IL2. its not...its much much worse.

[JG52Uther]

OK lets not go over the same stuff over and over again.