First Red Tail review..Told ya!

Richie · #1 01-18-2012, 07:33 PM

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Facially scarred Darth Vader Nazi LOL! Wonder if he has fangs too LOL. Probably that idiot Gordon Gallob who actually had a Scottish father...OUCH! He was absolutely hated because he got so many men killed. Really makes me mad. Now I don't know if I'll even go.

http://newyork.timeout.com/arts-cult...view-red-tails

Steinhof was burnt to a crisp and he does have a big fencing scar but does he remind you of Darth Vader

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn3wmxz9Qag

Thee_oddball · #2 01-19-2012, 12:05 AM

they already made a movie about these guys....how about one about the 442nd (Nisei)

Ribbs67 · #3 01-19-2012, 02:24 AM

You Guys Kill me!... How about you go and see the movie for the entertainment, and to pay respect to the brave men that flew these machines! (Both German and American)Is this a true representation of what a real P-51 could do in real life? NO! Is it a Made for the BIG Screen Hollywood production with crazy fight scenes and Big explosions! Yeah... Why you ask??? Because it costs over a 100 million to make, and they wouldn't even come close to making money catering to our Flight Sim niche group. Of course we would love to see real aircraft in aerial ballet...The Mass audience doesn't care about the stall speed of the P-51.. or that the markings on the 109's aren't correct...Its about telling a story and making money...and maybe not in that order..heh
And while im on the subject, whats with all the American Bashing that has been going on? I might not post on here very much, but Im on here almost every day.. I usually dont post, unless im trying to help a fellow player with something in the game. Ill be the first one to tell you that Im no expert at flying, nor am I a historian... But It has really made me upset with the amount of animosity I see towards us. Im sure there has been crappy comments from Americans in these Forums(and I hate to see that).. but its not hard to find someone taking a jab at us..Especially when anything "American" is brought up...just an observation..

352ndRibbs

Herbs107 · #4 01-19-2012, 03:51 AM

Well said Ribbs.. The little news storey below is interesting regarding Mr Lucas.

http://finance.ninemsn.com.au/newsbu...s-hes-retiring

ElAurens · #5 01-19-2012, 04:19 AM

Anyone who has the slightest knowledge of WW2 aviation knew this movie was going to be bad, on many levels.

And just for the sake of historical accuracy...

The 99th. lost 25 B17s that they were escorting, they did not have a perfect record in this regard, unlike the mythology that has built up around them.

Just once I'd like to see a film about WW2 aviation that was as good as Das Boot, and I don't really care which side it would be about.

Richie · #6 01-19-2012, 06:42 AM

I think any thing now that has a prayer of being accurate has do be made independently or made in another country. I thought this little film wasn't bad as far as historic value and lets say lack of Hollywood SIS-BOOM-BAH let's getm team stuff. They were stationed in North Africa witch was different and the 109s were right on camouflage wise and shape. They look like JG52 G10s. Too early for those I think but they look good.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1558575/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y83r...1&feature=plcp

Ataros · #7 01-20-2012, 08:51 AM

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Just once I'd like to see a film about WW2 aviation that was as good as Das Boot, and I don't really care which side it would be about.

This one is the best from a VVS perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud0ofWIg_cs

(aircrafts are not historical except for Po-2/U-2)

bw_wolverine · #8 01-20-2012, 02:15 PM

I watched an interview with George Lucas about the film and he said that he was trying to get this story out to the masses to showcase the heroism of the tuskegee airmen, 'real american heroes' as it were.

However, I think the amount of 'bending' of reality in this film is going to hurt that intention. It just makes the story seem less believable and I bet a lot of people are going to come away from the movie saying "yeah yeah, but that's not really what happened". And no, it isn't what happened (or so it sounds like), but the opportunity to get this story to the public in any real and meaningful way will be lost.

This film SHOULD have been made as real as they could have made it. It should have been done in the style of Band of Brothers. Hell, it would have been better served even if they'd done it in the style of Memphis Belle. I'll probably see it, but I'll wait til it's rentable.

DoolittleRaider · #9 01-20-2012, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ElAurens

Anyone who has the slightest knowledge of WW2 aviation knew this movie was going to be bad, on many levels.

Correct. I live in Vegas and wish they would have taken wagers on Redtails being Crap.

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And just for the sake of historical accuracy...

The 99th. lost 25 B17s that they were escorting, they did not have a perfect record in this regard, unlike the mythology that has built up around them.

Correct. The myth that "they never lost an escorted Bomber" lasted for six decades...Still, I was surprised that the trailer for Redtails didn't repeat that myth.

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Just once I'd like to see a film about WW2 aviation that was as good as Das Boot, and I don't really care which side it would be about.

See the Czech movie "Dark Blue World" about Czechs in RAF in BoB.

Sternjaeger II · #10 01-19-2012, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ribbs67

You Guys Kill me!... How about you go and see the movie for the entertainment, and to pay respect to the brave men that flew these machines! (Both German and American)Is this a true representation of what a real P-51 could do in real life? NO! Is it a Made for the BIG Screen Hollywood production with crazy fight scenes and Big explosions! Yeah... Why you ask??? Because it costs over a 100 million to make, and they wouldn't even come close to making money catering to our Flight Sim niche group. Of course we would love to see real aircraft in aerial ballet...The Mass audience doesn't care about the stall speed of the P-51.. or that the markings on the 109's aren't correct...Its about telling a story and making money...and maybe not in that order..heh

On a general line I agree, but it still surprises me how, with all the "experts" out there, they still manage to make gross mistakes (i.e. the colours/models of Bf109s in the movie).

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And while im on the subject, whats with all the American Bashing that has been going on? I might not post on here very much, but Im on here almost every day.. I usually dont post, unless im trying to help a fellow player with something in the game. Ill be the first one to tell you that Im no expert at flying, nor am I a historian... But It has really made me upset with the amount of animosity I see towards us. Im sure there has been crappy comments from Americans in these Forums(and I hate to see that).. but its not hard to find someone taking a jab at us..Especially when anything "American" is brought up...just an observation..

352ndRibbs