New Mod Heroes of Might and Magic 3 Babies!

[MattCaspermeyer]

Originally Posted by Fatt_Shade

Yes hypnosis you made was really weak Matt 5/10/20% come on why would any1 spend 50 mana to take control of enemy unit 20% of his lds 22/44/66 with intellect bonus will be just right.

You know what? The hypnosis spell does not use its power function properly.

Typically, each spell has a function to compute its power (pwr_spell_name_attack) and then the hint uses that function to show its values.

Well, as it turns out, hypnosis wasn't using its hint, so it was not even working properly! Looks like the developers didn't link the cell selection function to the spell's power function.

So, obviously, I'm going to fix it, but I'll have to check it to see what it was really doing since the unit selection script (calccells_hypnosis) was doing its own thing!

So even though I had a method for computing its power, it was ignoring what I was doing!

Okay, anyway, just a curious thing about hypnosis in that it wasn't coded properly and I'll fix it then evaluate power values...

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[Fatt_Shade]

Same as for hypnosis, problem with demon portal 5/10/20% of heroes lds summon, to low. But here big problem will come when battle with enemy heroes, as i said Baal summon 2x8 archdemons per turn with current settings.
If we change spell that would be much more, ad MUCH bigger problem to defeat him
Also i think gift of life is a bit OP, but you be the judge of that. I just wanted to check how it works and consider that my starting lds was 12k (with warrior this would be even more ridiculous) screen_1.
When i try my old mage save, every time i fight enemy hero we both cast phoenix spell. Wasnt it set in original that only 1 phoenix can be present on battle field?

[MattCaspermeyer]

Originally Posted by Fatt_Shade

Same as for hypnosis, problem with demon portal 5/10/20% of heroes lds summon, to low. But here big problem will come when battle with enemy heroes, as i said Baal summon 2x8 archdemons per turn with current settings.
If we change spell that would be much more, ad MUCH bigger problem to defeat him
Also i think gift of life is a bit OP, but you be the judge of that. I just wanted to check how it works and consider that my starting lds was 12k (with warrior this would be even more ridiculous) screen_1.
When i try my old mage save, every time i fight enemy hero we both cast phoenix spell. Wasnt it set in original that only 1 phoenix can be present on battle field?

Wow!, how'd that screenie happen? The out of control code should have kicked in somewhere...

I'll also look into Demon Portal, but I did do a lot of testing on that one. Since it is based on leadership, enemy heroes have much higher leadership than you do and that's why you saw Baal summoning such big stacks.

I think 5/10/20 will produce pretty close to 100% leadership towards the end of the game at level 3 for a mage, which is pretty good for a permanent stack. Even 50% for an enemy hero can be big stacks just because of the their leadership (I think 40K leadership for an enemy hero is pretty normal - especially with the impossible difficulty modifier).

By the way, I'm in the midst of coding up the Archdemon's special abilities.

Sheep seems to work okay, 5 charges with cast every 5 turns is what it's looking like right now.

So far for their attack spells I've got: Fear, Helplessness, Pygmy, Magic Shackles, and Blind.

This one's been trickier than the Bone Dragon's because I need to add the spell after the enemy retaliates otherwise Blind would automatically cancel. I'm also having trouble with Pygmy - the attacked units don't go small! Hmmm.... seems like a weird problem with the Attack.act_small function.

Hopefully I can get it working, or I'll have to drop Pygmy...

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[Fatt_Shade]

It took me 60 turns, but when i saw that summoned units doesnt effect lds cap i decided to see how far will it go. Got bored around 60-65 turn, still hilarious summon for 800k lds and over 1 milion dmg , and . But as said warrior would get even higher numbers since his starting lds is highter. Same thing happen with illusion on ghosts on 3rd lvl it lasts 5 turns with high enough int and kid_charna. When they go over lds limit you still keep control on them.
Any idea about phoenix spell ? When both you and enemy hero cast it ?

[MattCaspermeyer]

Originally Posted by Fatt_Shade

It took me 60 turns, but when i saw that summoned units doesnt effect lds cap i decided to see how far will it go. Got bored around 60-65 turn, still hilarious summon for 800k lds and over 1 milion dmg , and . But as said warrior would get even higher numbers since his starting lds is highter. Same thing happen with illusion on ghosts on 3rd lvl it lasts 5 turns with high enough int and kid_charna. When they go over lds limit you still keep control on them.
Any idea about phoenix spell ? When both you and enemy hero cast it ?

Summoned units don't effect Leadership cap?! Wow I didn't know that one! I know that they are treated differently (they are not affectd by morale, for example), but didn't realize summon cap was also in the list! I'll see if there is a way to fix that - I know that morale is ignored on temporary (and all enemy) units no matter what you set it to.

I think the rule is 1 Phoenix per side - I saw in the code where it checks which side it's on. It is probably best that way, otherwise, it would be easy to kill the other's side's Phoenix by casting your own.

Also with Gift, I agree with you there - I'll increase its cost a bit.

With Archdemon, it looks like Pygmy just won't work for a post-hit effect as I can't get it to be small no matter what I do. I'm now thinking about whether I should give them both Sheep and Pygmy as abilities and still have the other spells as post-hit effects if I can't figure out a way for Pygmy to work properly as a post-hit effect...

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[MattCaspermeyer]

Okay, here's the screenies of the new Archdemon and Ogre Abilities and Features.

The new Archdemon ability is Amalgamation - essentially an equal chance to cast Blind, Pygmy, or Sheep on a target.

The new Archdemon feature is the post-hit Odium feature - essentially an equal chance to cast Fear, Helplessness, or Magic Shackles on a unit after attacking.

I came up with Amalgamation after I couldn't get Pygmy to work properly as a post-hit effect.

The new Ogre feature is the post-hit effect Clobber - it has a chance to stun the target and if stun is successful then it also has a chance to knock the target unconscious.

I'm also thinking about doing something similar with Giants since their club is bigger than the Ogre's.

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[MattCaspermeyer]

Originally Posted by Fatt_Shade

It took me 60 turns, but when i saw that summoned units doesnt effect lds cap i decided to see how far will it go. Got bored around 60-65 turn, still hilarious summon for 800k lds and over 1 milion dmg , and . But as said warrior would get even higher numbers since his starting lds is highter. Same thing happen with illusion on ghosts on 3rd lvl it lasts 5 turns with high enough int and kid_charna. When they go over lds limit you still keep control on them.

Okay, this issue with respect to temporary summons was quite tricky to fix (the game's built-in Leadership checking code does not check temporary units!) as trying to use the existing Out of Control function would not work (it simply would return them to your control as I think it has a bug in that it doesn't check if temporary units are over the Leadership limit).

I had to create a new function that deals with temporary units going over the Leadership limit, but it seems to work okay. This was very tricky to implement!

This will go into the next update...

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