Vulcan to the Skies

[bongodriver]

Look better http://www.stirlingproject.co.uk/

just a forward section.....

The Vulcan instead is something like this: "heeeeey wassup biatches!? We would really like to take this Vulcan we have back to the sky, cos we think it's cool you know? But hey guess what, we're skint! We're gonna start scraping every bottom of every barrel for some pennies, and then we'll see what happens! It's fun, it's loud, it's huge! Yeah we need at least half a million every six months, but hey, it's fun, it's loud, it's huge!... uh and have I mentioned yet that it's fun, it's loud, it's huge?!"

You simply do not take on such a project with no sound financial plan, it's utterly ridiculous.

No....the Vulcan is British built machine.....so it's loud because it's not a glider and has something to do with those british built rolls royce engines, I have met a few ex vulcan pilots in my time who said the aircraft was fantastic to fly, it represents a period in british history that is under represented (hunters are nice but theres loads of them), you may not like it but it is an impressive machine to see, financial plans?.....were in the UK mate......nothing like this would happen if generous folks didn't put up their hard earned......and nobody is putting a gun to their heads...or yours for that matter so you have nothing to say on that.

Again, look what Lufthansa is doing with their Ju52 (and will do with their Super Connie): restoration according to a sound and affordable maintenance plan, plus the possibility to sell tickets to contribute to the expenses.

EASA are working hard to prevent historic machines being used to carry fare paying members of the public.......I believe it's already the case, apparently they don't have inflatable escape slides....blah blah

It's only a matter of time before Lightnings will get permission to fly now.
It will surely happen, like it happened in South Africa and USA

I will ask someone I know in the Lightning preservation if thats the case but I would eat my shorts if it ever did.

I'd leave the "military ambassador of the past" role to a highly significant machine like the Lanc, and maybe take back to the air the Concorde as example of fine British engineering (or maybe make something new?!). No matter how hard you try, there's really no real motivation to fly the Vulcan other than personal interest. Morphing this personal interest into a "worthy cause" though is grotesque to say the least.

Ok sod it....just ban everything appart from tiger moths....what? all WWII British pilots flew them so they represent the whole lot, and are much cheaper.

[bongodriver]

By the way pushing frwd the Vulcan, a nuclear bomber designed to nuke Moscow, on a forum owned by a Russian company is a bit out of savoir vivre. Think abt some Frenchs requesting donation for a Jeanne d'Arc memorial out of the Westminster church !

The Vulcan is no more offensive than say an AK47.......it has certaily killed less people than an AK47

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

The Vulcan is no more offensive than say an AK47.......it has certaily killed less people than an AK47

Agreed ! Small machine guns are the only one real WMD.

[bongodriver]

People kill people......not machines....for now....

[TomcatViP]

Just hve a look of man made slaughters vs weapon technology.

I defy you to makes a valid comparison of spear and bow vs hand launch grenades and machine guns showing that the kill ratio was higher at the ancient time. Have a look at the rescent Brux shooting. That guy won't even hve stabbed 2 ppl if only that what he had in hands

[bongodriver]

Make whatever comparisons you like....it's still people doing the killing

[BPickles]

This has gone absolutely F'in ridiculous now, so we shouldn't have the Vulcan fly at our country's hosting of the Olympics in case it offends the Argies?
If the organizers choose that aircraft i'll support it all the way, and i couldn't care what the rest of the world thinks, especially as the UK in the last 30 years has castrated itself and its citizens rights time and time again to benefit other nations.
Fly the Vulcan!

Clearly Stern your issue is with the Restoration team cos every post seems to be a crack at them and how you wouldn't do it like they do, so this is clearly some inter-restoration team rivalry crap.

Now if you don't mind I've got some crying and being offended to do as I've just seen a Tu95 in UK airspace on a documentary that was aired today, shocking that a documentary would should that in this day and age, its just so savoir vivre.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by BPickles

This has gone absolutely F'in ridiculous now, so we shouldn't have the Vulcan fly at our country's hosting of the Olympics in case it offends the Argies?

well hopefully the PC madness that has been reigning over here in the last 10 years will take care of this, and anyway a military nuclear bomber from the Cold War has nothing to do with the spirit of Olympic Games, it's like going to a Bar Mitzvah in a Kubelwagen: uncalled for.

If the organizers choose that aircraft i'll support it all the way, and i couldn't care what the rest of the world thinks, especially as the UK in the last 30 years has castrated itself and its citizens rights time and time again to benefit other nations.
Fly the Vulcan!

yeah, how about you stop living in the nostalgia for the past "when everything was better" and make something of the present, which is a bloody mess?

Clearly Stern your issue is with the Restoration team cos every post seems to be a crack at them and how you wouldn't do it like they do, so this is clearly some inter-restoration team rivalry crap.

no no no, not with the restoration team, which is a fantastic bunch of skilled folks, I'm against the whole idea and the frontman (and the few hidden characters behind him).
I fly with and restore completely different things, never been a huge fan of jets, but I respect people that do their restoration and labour of love on them on their own means, using volunteers and trying to make it an educational experience for who wants to, not milking others.

Now if you don't mind I've got some crying and being offended to do as I've just seen a Tu95 in UK airspace on a documentary that was aired today, shocking that a documentary would should that in this day and age, its just so savoir vivre.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

just a forward section.....

there's enough material and info to make an airworthy one, especially with that kind of money. With 4 million quid you'd build back a whole Stirling and the maintenance costs would be a tenth (if not less!) of the Vulcan one.

No....the Vulcan is British built machine.....so it's loud because it's not a glider and has something to do with those british built rolls royce engines, I have met a few ex vulcan pilots in my time who said the aircraft was fantastic to fly,

still need to meet a pilot who didn't think his ride was the best in the world

it represents a period in british history that is under represented (hunters are nice but theres loads of them),

and for a good reason I think, there's nothing glorious about those years.

you may not like it but it is an impressive machine to see,

I haven't said I don't like it, I think it's not necessary for it to fly if every season we have the same pathetic plea for money going on..

financial plans?.....were in the UK mate......nothing like this would happen if generous folks didn't put up their hard earned......and nobody is putting a gun to their heads...or yours for that matter so you have nothing to say on that.

Taurine manure, you still need to plan for something like this in a sound way, it's not like your garage restoration of a Morris 8. They hired staff to do this job, it became a full time employment for people.

You obviously know little about the whole thing.. the "mysterious" donation of large chunks of money are a good way of avoiding taxes... do I really have to explain this?!

EASA are working hard to prevent historic machines being used to carry fare paying members of the public.......I believe it's already the case, apparently they don't have inflatable escape slides....blah blah

I doubt it. I personally flew on the Lufthansa Ju52 in two occasions, they treat it like a plane of their fleet.

I will ask someone I know in the Lightning preservation if thats the case but I would eat my shorts if it ever did.

Yeah see what they say.

Ok sod it....just ban everything appart from tiger moths....what? all WWII British pilots flew them so they represent the whole lot, and are much cheaper.

That's nonsense, I'm talking about keeping things feasible and not wasting so much money for the revenue and entertainment of a few folks. To them it's not a hobby, it's a business.