ATAG's 1st Bomber Night this Weekend

[5./JG27.Farber]

Very interesting, was there not also high chain home and low chain home for high and low altitudes? Have you found this can be implemented?

So to make it work we need 4Tx Radar 1 and 4Rx radar 2 with the same orientation. When you spawn in a radar tower I assume its orientation is 0. Its pointing longways up and down. So to change it to detect East we just spin it 90. I thought they detected from their widest part not from the side? Do they have to be linked in anyway or need any other special requirements? Is the orientation the direction they will detect?

Could Wotan be used to detect ships, Im sure I have read this somewhere? Or am I confusing this with late war German radar, something I know nothing about.

[Sokol1]

This mean that in the next event the CH towers are a valid target to BLUE side bombers...

Sokol1

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by Sokol1

This mean that in the next event the CH towers are a valid target to BLUE side bombers...

Sokol1

Good point!!!

Your thought above reminds me of an old saying, "Mechanical Engineers build weapons of war, Civil Engineers build targets!" LOL

[klem]

Originally Posted by Sokol1

This mean that in the next event the CH towers are a valid target to BLUE side bombers...

Sokol1

But to be historically accurate you should only have a couple of goes at them then consider them to be destroyed, irrelevant or not an issue because the LW is so powerful.

wtg "Hermann".

[csThor]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

Could Wotan be used to detect ships, Im sure I have read this somewhere? Or am I confusing this with late war German radar, something I know nothing about.

No, since Wotan is actually a radio beam system. The theory is quite similar to the later OBOE of the RAF, meaning one station provides the general direction by directing its beam towards the target while a second beam crossed the first over the target (or up to three - pre-signal, main signal, post signal). Aircraft using this system had two special devices on board (also known as X-Gerät) and each was locked onto one of the beams. Once both devices gave a continuous sound the target area was reached and the bombs were dropped. Only KGr 100 used the X-Verfahren in 1940 while III./KG 26 used the slightly more sophisticated Y-Verfahren (based on Wotan 2 stations) from November 1940 on. The latter was more accurate and could not be jammed - at least not easily.

Wotan stations were (at least in 1940) at Julianadorp (Den Helder), Audembert, Ecalgrain (Cherbourg) and Morlaix (Brest).

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

Good point!!!

Your thought above reminds me of an old saying, "Mechanical Engineers build weapons of war, Civil Engineers build targets!" LOL

Question is how to place them? I had the same problem using them as targets. They are already on the map at the historical sites. If you want to place them in the same position you either have to carefully place them "inside" the current ones or create a dopelganger effect by placing them next to them... Creating a new site is problematic as there are so many ones already on the map, chances are the new ones maybe missed for the "onmap ones"....

Originally Posted by csThor

No, since Wotan is actually a radio beam system. The theory is quite similar to the later OBOE of the RAF, meaning one station provides the general direction by directing its beam towards the target while a second beam crossed the first over the target (or up to three - pre-signal, main signal, post signal). Aircraft using this system had two special devices on board (also known as X-Gerät) and each was locked onto one of the beams. Once both devices gave a continuous sound the target area was reached and the bombs were dropped. Only KGr 100 used the X-Verfahren in 1940 while III./KG 26 used the slightly more sophisticated Y-Verfahren (based on Wotan 2 stations) from November 1940 on. The latter was more accurate and could not be jammed - at least not easily.

Wotan stations were (at least in 1940) at Julianadorp (Den Helder), Audembert, Ecalgrain (Cherbourg) and Morlaix (Brest).

Right but the Germans did have ship seeking radar in 1940? I read somewhere when the discovered the British device in Dunkirk france, they laughed at the crudeness of it... After the war the better German system was adopted and developed... Maybe I should have said German radar instead of WOTAN.... But also that it was something that the Germans misunderestimated and didnt rely upon.

[csThor]

What you are talking about is FREYA. That was a true radar and - contrary to the british CH and CHL - it was mobile and technically slightly more sophisticated (for whatever that's worth). One such set was installed at Cap Gris Nez but it wasn't used for detecting aircraft (Freya was not really good at giving the target height, this is why it was later used in tandem with the more accurate Würzburg-Riese radar) but to monitor british shipping in the Channel.

[IvanK]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

Very interesting, was there not also high chain home and low chain home for high and low altitudes? Have you found this can be implemented?

So to make it work we need 4Tx Radar 1 and 4Rx radar 2 with the same orientation. When you spawn in a radar tower I assume its orientation is 0. Its pointing longways up and down. So to change it to detect East we just spin it 90. I thought they detected from their widest part not from the side? Do they have to be linked in anyway or need any other special requirements? Is the orientation the direction they will detect?

Could Wotan be used to detect ships, Im sure I have read this somewhere? Or am I confusing this with late war German radar, something I know nothing about.

Chain Hom Low or CHL was indeed there as a gap filler. CHL was developed from an Army experiment to detect shipping (similar I guess to Freya). In the end CHL was well established by late 1940. It consisted of a conventional (in todays terms) rotating aerial spinning at around 5RPM. So CHL provided Omni directional coverage over short ranges. Though inland coverage was affected by ground clutter. Unlike CH, CHL had a PPI and a separate range scale. As far as I can make out CHL did not have a height finding capability.

Off to see if CHL is a 3D object in COD.

A great reference/read on British radar is the book "RADAR a wartime Miracle"



http://www.amazon.com/Radar-Wartime-.../dp/0750916435

[IvanK]

Static Object English Radar 3 looks like the 3D model for CHL.