Pacific Fighters Bombed - inadequate maps

[tater]

Greed? How about for lack of a copy editor or competent lawyer.

[robtek]

@tater
its all about to satisfy the shareholder in our capitalism.
the companys would have lost nothing if they had said: "ok, we allow you to use the names for this game only! next time ask beforehand."

[tater]

Not true, robtek. The entire thing was predicated by the use of the company name on the box with no copyright/attribution, IMO. A company is required to defend its name. The box of course has a global copyright on it saying that everything belongs to ubi/1c/whatever (don't have my box in front of me, it's at home). Without the note that NG is property of NG, they are in fact saying on the box that THEY own the NG name.

Slam dunk, taken to court, they'd have to recall the product, pay damages, etc.

Had the PF box not had NG's name on it (NOT the plane names), nothing would have happened. Since they had ubi over a barrel on that, they could demand anything they wanted and get it. You can argue with that, certainly, but it was entirely predicated on the lack of a decent copy editor and legal team to vet the box art (any company as big as ubi should have run the box past editors and lawyers as SOP).

Note that I'm not trying to be an apologist for NG, but there are two corporate entities here, and only one gets the flak on the boards for "greed." You could make a similar argument for being too greedy to pay a few hundred bucks to have the art checked.

[nearmiss]

I found the AAA site

http://allaircraftarcade.com/forum/index.php

I dl the engine and weapon sounds mod, and the two map mods.

There is just so much going on and the mod makers are having a field day.

More power to them.

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I think their map mods are pretty good, but they are mostly color improvements. Most of the maps still need more work.

Trees do not grow in Salt water. The idea of all the trees is great, but taking trees beyond the shoreline into salt water should not be.

The Pacific Islands were covered in Jungle.

Roads and tracks were barely seeable from the air, because of trees and foliage.

Trees often extended very close to beaches, often overhanging waters edge.

Trees and greenery was everywhere, especially Pacific Islands, mostly jungle.

Lakes, rivers and streams should have trees along waters edge borders.

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The water that runs from the oceans inland should not end in a nice soft arc, they need to end in sharp jagged narrow ends or tentacled ends.

You will always see trees growing along the waters edge of any body of water, this is never the case in IL2 maps. Trees love to grow beside fresh water and border all lakes, rivers and streams all over the world.

There are large open spaces of land in IL2 maps bordering the edges of all rivers and streams, which is just not the case. There are certainly some open spaces around such areas, but nothing like in IL2 maps.

There are large open spaces on both sides of all roads and tracks. I always hated this because finding the ground enemy was always too easy and the combat engagements just seemed stupid.

The IL2 maps/battlefields are just laid out in perfect view for attacking aircraft to find and destroy ground targets.

It would be great to have partially concealed roads and tracks making it hard to find the enemy, and conversely the enemy could hide. Much more realistic.

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Don't get me wrong I like what has and is being done. The current map mods are mostly a green up or winterize some maps. Maps is definitely the big bug-a-boo for the Pacific war theatre. The maps are nowhere near as good as they can be at this point. Burma looks pretty good but you still have the same kind of issues with trees not bordering water, streams, rivers, roads and tracks.

IL2 maps are just too neat ---

[Aviar]

"Wow! Oleg has really opened up things."

You must be joking. I'm sure you know that those are all illegal hacks?

Aviar

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Aviar

"Wow! Oleg has really opened up things."

You must be joking. I'm sure you know that those are all illegal hacks?

Aviar

Illegal! do you think...?

I never heard of the site until yesterday, and everything looks pretty darn legit to me.

What would be the consequences for using something like a mod that works and doesn't mess with the application code. There are plenty of mods that just use the things already in the IL2. I remember what a tough job it was for some mod builders, because nothing was documented about files or contents of files.

I gotta say this...

If word gets out that people can make mods of maps, aircraft, panels, etc.

Those old copies of the Il2 Sturmovik 1946 that haven't sold will jump off the shelves.

Oleg, may even get to do another release of it.

I saw it at Circuit City awhile back for $10 US, nobody wanted it.

[Spectrum]

Tinkering around with the appearance of the maps and making winter versions of existing maps is nice, but what would be really great would be to see some new maps to cover the missing areas.
I don't see how creating new maps can benefit any cheaters in the online game.
Who wouldn't like to fly over a few new Pacific Maps, or fly across the English Channel, or maybe an enlarged Ardennes Map.
Sure, you can use your imagination by adapting existing maps, but its not the same is it.....

[mondo]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Illegal! do you think...?

I never heard of the site until yesterday, and everything looks pretty darn legit to me.

Using the 'sound mod' etc is in breach of the EULA.