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Old 12-06-2011, 11:39 PM
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And what exactly does all this talk of the current situation in the Mid East have to do with events that happened 70 years ago tomorrow?
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Old 12-06-2011, 11:43 PM
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And what exactly does all this talk of the current situation in the Mid East have to do with events that happened 70 years ago tomorrow?
Not a lot

T-50..Raptor killer thats all im saying on the matter
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Old 12-06-2011, 11:43 PM
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Sharing love and having pure positive motives?

There are people in desperate need of the above, just like 70yrs ago.


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T-50..Raptor killer thats all im saying on the matter
No Sir.
They only have some Mig29-K, made for India, undergoing sea trials, on board.
The carries will undergo some mods in the end of 2012, if the Ruskies indeed decide to manufacture a carrier version of T50, it could be a real future troublemaker.

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Old 12-07-2011, 12:35 AM
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OK, I'll play along...

The Russian Navy, if it is ever committed to a real conflict, will have a heroic, but painfully short, campaign.

I can sum it up pretty succinctly in one word...

Toast.

If they are foolish enough to engage the NATO navies in the open Atlantic they might last a week. If they are even more foolish and try to engage in the Med, 2 days, as they will be at the mercy of a navy's worst nightmare... Land based aircraft.

Just how many aircraft does the Kuznetsov embark? I'll tell you... Not enough.
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Old 12-07-2011, 01:42 AM
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The Russian Navy, if it is ever committed to a real conflict, will have a heroic, but painfully short, campaign.

I can sum it up pretty succinctly in one word...

Toast.
Voilà.
That's what said. No reason to not intervene.
Why is it then, they hesitate?
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Old 12-07-2011, 02:27 AM
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Who hesitates? The United States? NATO? The Arab League?
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Old 12-07-2011, 03:24 AM
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Who offered the helping hand last time?
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Old 12-07-2011, 03:39 AM
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Which "last time"?

Why not stop being obscure and just come out and say it?

BTW, I don't think any Western nation should get involved, because no good will come of it in the end.
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:34 PM
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OK, I'll play along...

The Russian Navy, if it is ever committed to a real conflict, will have a heroic, but painfully short, campaign.

I can sum it up pretty succinctly in one word...

Toast.

If they are foolish enough to engage the NATO navies in the open Atlantic they might last a week. If they are even more foolish and try to engage in the Med, 2 days, as they will be at the mercy of a navy's worst nightmare... Land based aircraft.

Just how many aircraft does the Kuznetsov embark? I'll tell you... Not enough.
The effect is not always based on numbers. In the situation that war have not not been declared a highly mobile force which no one can deny access due to the free travel at sea are a very powerfull tool.

It is about presence and show of force which can exploitet by diplomacy.
In a limit war settings such a force will have the ability to reach far beyond the frontline where the opposition can do little to oppose it. Like the US landing a Inchon, Korea, september 1950 which essentially turned the war.

I can recommend reading "Sea Power a Naval History" by E.B.Potter
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