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[IvanK]

Originally Posted by Osprey

It is hilarious. I was online on Sunday and it was about 20 vs 20. 14, yes 14, of the 109's were E4's and 4 were E3's. Only 2 E1's. Funny, I don't remember seeing any historical accuracy complaints about that.

For the record I have not read of one incident from WW2 where the 109 could hang on 45 degrees from CO-e and watch the Spitfire fall away helplessly. In actual fact the opposite is more likely true given that the standard escape for a Spitfire was a steep climbing turn.

I trust therefore that we won't hear any complaints when you can no longer use this tactic.

Though I dont think the "exploit" in vogue at the moment is historically accurate there was concern at the time about the 109E and F's ability to Climb at a steeper angle than the Spitfire as AVIA 6/13805 shows:



Pg 4 ..... Conclusion


There are a Total of 7 pages in the report .. the others are mainly Maths and graphs.

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by IvanK

Though I dont think the "exploit" in vogue at the moment is historically accurate there was concern at the time about the 109E and F's ability to Climb at a steeper angle than the Spitfire as AVIA 6/13805 shows:

There are a Total of 7 pages in the report .. the others are mainly Maths and graphs.

Interesting. These are calculations based on data though? Rather than flight tests? It was normal to explore everything possible during this war though - no stones unturned.

I am going by accounts from pilots which I have read and both sides are consistent, though of course the dead men do not tell their stories.

[SEE]

This is an excellent site for anyone who may not have visited it. Apart from data and technical info, the Pilots notes are well worth reading to give you a feel of how the Spits compared to the Bf109 in combat.


http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit1vrs109e.html

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by SEE

This is an excellent site for anyone who may not have visited it. Apart from data and technical info, the Pilots notes are well worth reading to give you a feel of how the Spits compared to the Bf109 in combat.


http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit1vrs109e.html

I like this bit

"The comparable 5 minute engine limitations were; 1.30 ata/2400 rpm for the Me 109 E-1, 3 and 4, and +12 lbs/3000 rpm for the Spitfire Mk I"

Try 12lbs @ 3000rpm in the Spit and see if you can last 5 seconds let alone 5 minutes

It's an important read though, for all who are interested in this sim being a sim.

[bw_wolverine]

Originally Posted by Osprey

I like this bit

"The comparable 5 minute engine limitations were; 1.30 ata/2400 rpm for the Me 109 E-1, 3 and 4, and +12 lbs/3000 rpm for the Spitfire Mk I"

Try 12lbs @ 3000rpm in the Spit and see if you can last 5 seconds let alone 5 minutes

It's an important read though, for all who are interested in this sim being a sim.

Can you even get the CloD Spitfires up to 12lbs?

[SEE]

The LW Pilot entries are also very interesting (e.g, the introduction of Auto PP and their reaction) but this one caught my attention:-

The Spitfire I had reached maturity by the outset of the Battle of Britain and began to be replaced by the Spitfire II in August. This improved variant first entered service with No. 611 Squadron, 135 eventually equipping over a third of the Spitfire squadrons by the end of the Battle. Oberleutnant Ulrich Steinhilper of III/JG 52 flew a Me 109 E-1, armed with 4 MG 17 machine guns, until 15 September 1940, whereupon he received a cannon equipped Me 109 E-4. 136 A month later he wrote home:

The British have, in part, a new engine in their Spitfires and our Me can hardly keep up with it. We have also made improvements and have also some new engines, but there is no more talk of absolute superiority. The other day (12 October) we tangled with these newer Spitfires and had three losses against one success. I got into deep trouble myself and my Rottenhund (Sigi Voss) was shot down. I ended up against two Spitfires with all weapons jammed. There was no alternative but to get the hell out of it. 137

[Osprey]

Yes the pilot accounts are overwhelmingly in agreement with each other from both sides, and with the flight testing. The only one that doesn't agree is Molders following his test flight, and that's because he flew a 2 stage prop Spitfire without the 100 octane fuel extra boost.

Originally Posted by bw_wolverine

Can you even get the CloD Spitfires up to 12lbs?

Unfortunately not at the moment. Still stuck on 6.25