The Crystal Ball

[ingsoc84]

Originally Posted by Icebear

I fully agree with you, but so what? You gonna sue them? Who else if not an attorny with 25 years of practice in civil law?

Don't feed the the crystall ball.......

I'm not suing anyone, first you need DAMAGES..what are my damages? 50 dollars? not worth my time effort nor any other attorneys, it just isn't. Sue a Russian company? I lived there..there is NO rule of law there, its as corrupt as it gets, and leads the world as "the most corrupt Country", last year surpassing Zimbawe for that honor.As to the "so what aspect"..it just means "we got hosed" and have to live with it...and next time..LOOK before I leap purchasing one of these games, means I won't purchase till at least 6 months after the date, and have fully read the forums to discern whining from real complaints. As a final thought, so what does not excuse bad conduct on behalf of the dev's/publisher, but then..as most of us over 30 know...NOTHING in life is fair

[Icebear]

Originally Posted by ingsoc84

I'm not suing anyone, first you need DAMAGES..what are my damages? 50 dollars? not worth my time effort nor any other attorneys, it just isn't. Sue a Russian company? I lived there..there is NO rule of law there, its as corrupt as it gets, and leads the world as "the most corrupt Country", last year surpassing Zimbawe for that honor.As to the "so what aspect"..it just means "we got hosed" and have to live with it...and next time..LOOK before I leap purchasing one of these games, means I won't purchase till at least 6 months after the date, and have fully read the forums to discern whining from real complaints. As a final thought, so what does not excuse bad conduct on behalf of the dev's/publisher, but then..as most of us over 30 know...NOTHING in life is fair

And again, I fully agree with you. My reply was intentionally a bit heretic Being far over 30 I remember those days when outstanding companies like MICROPOSE released games in nearly flawless condition. Do you remember this one ?

That's nearly 12 years ago and they released just one (1) patch of 457kb!

But nobody should believe that this is impossible today. Last week my nephew indicated that he would appreciate to get a copy of SKYRIM on Santa Claus. Due to my experience with Silent Hunter V and later on IL2 Cliffs of Dover I denied to buy a game released without a playable demo. Knowing that he is a little nag I decided to download Skyrim illegally and crack it first of all. I played around for about 1 hour with a system that was far below the minimum requiments provided by Bethesda. What should I say; it worked flawless, smooth with stunning graphics even with a 8800GTS and NO crashes.... Ten minutes later I ordered two copies from Amazon.

That's what I learned. Do I feel bad ? No way....

[JG52Uther]

Icebear I suggest you read the forum rules before you post again.

[Sven]

I just want to report in that with my 'medium' system I'm running Cliffs of Dover just fine, without any crashes or stutters and decent framerate ( ~ 30 - 35 or so )



My ingame settings are on normal/high. Everything from shadows,plane details damage ect. on high, but land detail is on normal.

I don't fly over london often as I'm a fighter but over the English coastal airfields and over the German fields in France my game is keeping up good. An increase in FPS is always welcome of course! But people claiming that this game is utterly broken can't be right.

[Ataros]

No quick return on $50 investment? Of cause it is a tragedy!
...if you live in Africa, Afghanistan or maybe Eastern Europe?

No candies now but only in 1-2 years? WTF! I can not handle it like a man!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YQpbzQ6gzs

PS. BTW BF3 crashes more often than CloD on more systems (e.g. factory overclocked 560ti anyone?) and not compatible with more software like OSD displaying one. Origin disconnects players from servers more often than Steam. Facts learned form reading Battlelog support forums searching for crash solutions. BF3 is more expensive than CloD, had a much better budget and is still better designed than MW3 in spite of all the problems (which also means that MW3 is much worse investment than CloD was). We have to switch to consoles if we are not prepared to happily wait for a long-long time till alpha-beta releases are fixed. So called Permanent Beta is a new industry trend.

Why is a guy posting here who hasn't even been bothered to purchase the game, surely his opinion is worth nothing??

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by Ataros

No quick return on $50 investment? Of cause it is a tragedy!
...if you live in Africa, Afghanistan or maybe Eastern Europe?

No candies now but only in 1-2 years? WTF! I can not handle it like a man!

PS. BTW BF3 crashes more often than CloD on more systems (e.g. factory overclocked 560ti anyone?) and not compatible with more software like OSD displaying one. Origin disconnects players from servers more often than Steam. Facts learned form reading Battlelog support forums searching for crash solutions. BF3 is more expensive than CloD, had a much better budget and is still better designed than MW3 in spite of all the problems (which also means that MW3 is much worse investment than CloD was). We have to switch to consoles if we are not prepared to happily wait for a long-long time till alpha-beta releases are fixed. So called Permanent Beta is a new industry trend.

Excellent post Ataros. I subscribe to the permanent beta concept. But ... it has to be declared as a Beta, otherwise it's simply a lie to raise money to allow (hopefully) to correct the bugs. Another kind of business, it looks to me.

"If something is worth doing, it is worth doing badly"

Insuber

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by Insuber

But ... it has to be declared as a Beta, otherwise it's simply a lie to raise money to allow (hopefully) to correct the bugs.

I agree that it has to, but thinking realistically how can it be even possible in the real world? Luthier - 1C, Oleg - 1C, 1C - UBI contracts all have/had non-disclosure clauses. Luthier mentioned in March or April something like please do not ask me questions answering which would get me fired the next morning. Yes, theoretically UBI could announce it as beta but we do not know if retailers or Steam would accept a beta. Thus it probably was a "stop-loss" decision to release it as it is (having an alternative to shut the project down completely).

My understanding is that new engine with too many features, too much detail and new technology exponentially increased workload and required resources which was not accounted for because no one attempted similar titanic projects in the past. (Think about why none of studios in more technologically and financially developed western countries never created anything comparable in complexity and detail in air- or even land- or sea-sims.)

Oleg accepted that he made several mistakes in the beginning of development trying to make a perfect product.

There is nothing we can do about this reality besides investing more money in MG, or applying for job with MG if we are good, or advertising CloD to friends and online buddies on other forums, or encouraging the team to overcome difficulties with our support, trust, positive and constructive attitude on the forums. Luthier said in March that they need our support and trust to break through (as they have to fight for continuation of financing by publishers I think. Oleg mentioned on his Youtube channel last spring just after the release "... if they allow the team to finish...") .

Psychologically people often feel better when publicly blaming others, busting and bitching. Internet forums is a perfect place for this. People are not stupid not to realise that their bitching discourages the team, newcomers and even investors/publishers who read these forums, therefore harming further development of the product, but keep doing it because it makes them feel better. Perfectly understandable. I did it several times on sukhoi.ru forums too.

PS. If you want continued support for the series, please help the devs every day in proving to publishers that this is a great product worth continuing investing. If you do not what further development but just a revenge you can do the opposite and be happy when the project is shut down coming here to say "I told you that it was crap!".

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Sven

I just want to report in that with my 'medium' system I'm running Cliffs of Dover just fine, without any crashes or stutters and decent framerate ( ~ 30 - 35 or so )



My ingame settings are on normal/high. Everything from shadows,plane details damage ect. on high, but land detail is on normal.

I don't fly over london often as I'm a fighter but over the English coastal airfields and over the German fields in France my game is keeping up good. An increase in FPS is always welcome of course! But people claiming that this game is utterly broken can't be right.

Sadly guys like you are considered liars around here by the squeaky wheel whiners.. Where as I for one see your post as just another example of how the PC itself is the root of most of the problems people are having with CoD.. Which is not surprising what with all the potential interaction of software and drivers out there.. It is for those very reasons why things like XBOX and PS3 are surpassing PCs for the gaming market.

[ElAurens]

My machine is far lower in spec than the one Sven has and I can run the game just fine on fairly high settings. (Not going to fire up the game right now to check them all but I have SSAO on as well as grass, roads, etc...) And I am running at 1920 X 1080 resolution.

Core2Duo E8500 @ 3.5ghz

6 gigs DDR 2

Win7Pro 64bit.

EVGA GTX 570 Superclocked 1.280 gig VRAM

Soundblaster Fatality Gamer sound card.

Gigabyte EP45-UD3R mobo