109 advice needed (climb)

You don't do wrong, ref, the fm is wrong. That's all. I hope they fix it. Currently the Hurri is quite a good match to the 109 while the 109 should have a little edge over it. Or my history books are all wrong.

[ElAurens]

At 2400rpm and 3.5 to 4 pounds of boost the Rotol Hurricane can gently climb at 200mph. That is 20mph faster than you were doing in the 109. The Hurri cannot follow in a steep climb.

While I am strictly a Hurricane pilot, I do agree that the 109 is hobbled in speed, as is the Spitfire.

That said, against an aggressive and good 109 pilot, the Hurri has no chance if you stick to a strict boom and zoom tactic. The 109 can dive much faster and retain it's energy in the zoom out much better than the Hurri.

[jg27_mc]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

That said, against an aggressive and good 109 pilot, the Hurri has no chance if you stick to a strict boom and zoom tactic. The 109 can dive much faster and retain it's energy in the zoom out much better than the Hurri.

Got nothing more to add. Although I am not an Experten, if you stick to this rule of engagement you will be successfully against British fighters most of the times, specially cause they generally use poor tactics (don't want to flame the red side, but this is what I generally encounter while flying ATAG). Of course there are some brilliant flyers on the red side. I've been shoot down by Hurris and Spits with it's pilot's doing some of most amazing things I have seen in this simulation.

Originally Posted by Robo.

...Also, have you been using WEP / Erhoehte Notleistung? (1.45ata)? If you had an E advantage, you should have used it instead of running away...

This is equally important.

BTW, IMHO the most difficult thing to achieve while flying these German bricks is discipline.

Regards

[svend]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

Biggest thing you were doing wrong is climbing at a constant speed (unless its either way lower or way higher). 300kph is like cruising speed for a 109, if you think climbing at cruising speed is enough to get away, you're mistaken. Either go into a all out climb (250kph or less), or get your engine management down and climb at 400kph. The Hurri will have a hard time maintaining that speed at the same angle climb as you, it might take 10 minutes, but you will eventually end up with higher alt than him, or if he tries to match your angle, he'll drop a bit of speed, and you'll slowly pull away. Pick one end of the spectrum or the other, but never pick the in-between. That's well within a Hurri's flight envelop, so you're not gaining anything on him. At that speed, you shouldn't have to use full throttle, so you were wasting your engine power but flying at that speed with that rpm.

+1

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

You don't do wrong, ref, the fm is wrong. That's all. I hope they fix it. Currently the Hurri is quite a good match to the 109 while the 109 should have a little edge over it. Or my history books are all wrong.

You do something wrong if he catched you. 109 is a wee bit slower as it should be but still has got the edge in speed, dive, vertical. I am talking significant advantage in performance - 109 is certainly better in if used well, you will outfly, outclimb and outshoot any RAF figher on ATAG. Sure, the FMs needs to be fixed but the general characteristics between RAF and 109 is there. What is weird, Hurricane Mk.I is faster than Spitfire Mk.Ia (same engine, same prop) and climbs better. What ElAurens says, Rotol Hurricane can be dangerous and can outfly you if the jockey is good. If you don't mind, tell me who the pilot was...

So what was your mistake imho? You assumend the Hurri was useless, but it was not. It was quite capable fighter plane in RL and it is so ingame. He probably cut your turn as there is no way catching a 109 that decides to run away. There is no way he would outclimb you from Co-E state or overtake you. But if he flew smart, he could have come close enough. Also, have you been using WEP / Erhoehte Notleistung? (1.45ata)? If you had an E advantage, you should have used it instead of running away. It is also difficult to look back if he's still there, crawling on your six waiting for you to slow down...

I fly everything - 109s and Hurricanes or Spiftires, been on both sides