109 advice needed (climb)

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[6S.Manu]

Originally Posted by jg27_mc

It is a brick. That's why you need discipline in the equation. Speed is life, I will never enter deliberately in scissors or other TnB crap against the RAF.

Regards.

PS: Next patch will bring us concrete elevator like the flying coffins we had in 1946 (don't know about the current state of the game, cause I am grounded for +- 2 years, never to return again).

I'll start to develop an open source sim on my own if they'll ever do it!

Anyway I've not so much experience about dogfighting with these models (mainly because I can't see them): are Spitfires still antigrav machines?

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

Not really, none of the planes have their proper speed, and the Spit is much more tame than 1946.

Maybe not speed, but in terms of E-retention I have seen some questionable Spit behaviour, though.

[jf1981]

Originally Posted by reflected

Just now I shot up a Hurricane head on, then I started climbing away (I had E advantage) . I trimmed my E-3 perfectly, 2400 RPM, full throttle, climbing at 300 kph. By the time we were over France the Hurricane got within firing distance and shot me down.

What was I doing wrong? I obviously made a mistake, because the Hurricane was notorious for being slow, and sluggish, like a grand-piano with a Merlin.

Thanks in advance.

Hurri's vertical speed is quite good. Its top speed is'nt.

I've measured in actual state of CoD some 2600 ft/min and BF109 E3 700 m/min (2300 ft/min), therefore Hurri may catch you in a vertical climb at reduced speed.

How accurate the models are compared to reality, this needs to be checked and it might change.

[TomcatViP]

Actually it's completely normal. It's all about thick wings.

In a slow speed climb :
Thicker airfoil -> less AoA -> less drag - > higher climb rate for a given horizontal speed.

You need to spiral up to get away with the 109 or the hurri will catch you.

As a side note, Hurri with boost cut out can be slightly over modeled in certain situation. You need to be keep yourself alerted in that situation. Anyway if you are in the front sector of any opponents, it's time to have a close look at what you are doing

[CWMV]

Welcome to the bogus 109 FM.
Hurri Rotol is a real threat to the 109's as is.

[_79_dev]

109's climb rate is best at around 250 km/h, depending of course on altitude. If You are trying to climb away from hurricane or spitfire You need to do it in stages, that will force their engines to cut out and stall eventually, but don't loose Your opponent at 6 o'clock he may be good enough to stay below You for a long time therefore I would rather use chandelle or just roll over and drop on him rather than trying to extend...

You don't do wrong, ref, the fm is wrong. That's all. I hope they fix it. Currently the Hurri is quite a good match to the 109 while the 109 should have a little edge over it. Or my history books are all wrong.

[ElAurens]

At 2400rpm and 3.5 to 4 pounds of boost the Rotol Hurricane can gently climb at 200mph. That is 20mph faster than you were doing in the 109. The Hurri cannot follow in a steep climb.

While I am strictly a Hurricane pilot, I do agree that the 109 is hobbled in speed, as is the Spitfire.

That said, against an aggressive and good 109 pilot, the Hurri has no chance if you stick to a strict boom and zoom tactic. The 109 can dive much faster and retain it's energy in the zoom out much better than the Hurri.

[jg27_mc]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

That said, against an aggressive and good 109 pilot, the Hurri has no chance if you stick to a strict boom and zoom tactic. The 109 can dive much faster and retain it's energy in the zoom out much better than the Hurri.

Got nothing more to add. Although I am not an Experten, if you stick to this rule of engagement you will be successfully against British fighters most of the times, specially cause they generally use poor tactics (don't want to flame the red side, but this is what I generally encounter while flying ATAG). Of course there are some brilliant flyers on the red side. I've been shoot down by Hurris and Spits with it's pilot's doing some of most amazing things I have seen in this simulation.

Originally Posted by Robo.

...Also, have you been using WEP / Erhoehte Notleistung? (1.45ata)? If you had an E advantage, you should have used it instead of running away...

This is equally important.

BTW, IMHO the most difficult thing to achieve while flying these German bricks is discipline.

Regards