303 sound

LoBiSoMeM · #1 11-10-2011, 08:58 PM

OMG! Sounds like Cliffs of Dover Spitfire/Hurricane guns!

I'm amazed!

He111 · #2 11-10-2011, 10:33 PM

softer sound than i'd imagine, as in latest patch but i could imagine 8 of them would increase sound 8 fold?

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robtek · #3 11-10-2011, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by He111

softer sound than i'd imagine, as in latest patch but i could imagine 8 of them would increase sound 8 fold?

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That would be a milkmaid calculation

At first the guns don't fire synchronized, so the soundwaves sometimes add up, somtimes they cancel each other out.

It would be louder as a single gun, but a more constant noise, like ripping texture.

Sternjaeger II · #4 11-10-2011, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by robtek

That would be a milkmaid calculation

At first the guns don't fire synchronized, so the soundwaves sometimes add up, somtimes they cancel each other out.

It would be louder as a single gun, but a more constant noise, like ripping texture.

I think you have a pretty confused concept of sound waves. I personally don't know of any "don't fire synchronised" setup, once you squeeze the trigger they all go together, but even if it wasn't the case, with the insane rates of fire these guns had (the RAF ones had modified barrels and bolts for a higher ROF), you could hardly tell the difference whether they all shot with the same or not.

robtek · #5 11-11-2011, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I think you have a pretty confused concept of sound waves. I personally don't know of any "don't fire synchronised" setup, once you squeeze the trigger they all go together, but even if it wasn't the case, with the insane rates of fire these guns had (the RAF ones had modified barrels and bolts for a higher ROF), you could hardly tell the difference whether they all shot with the same or not.

I can't follow you here, first a slight and then unprofessional common places which doesn't prove anything.

I answered to the opinion that the sound should increase eight-fold, and you?

Sternjaeger II · #6 11-11-2011, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by robtek

I can't follow you here, first a slight and then unprofessional common places which doesn't prove anything.

I answered to the opinion that the sound should increase eight-fold, and you?

Sorry man, but the answer you gave is not correct and misleading, hence my post. There is a lot of this going on in this forum, it would be better to keep things as accurate as possible for the sake of the sim and people's knowledge.

robtek · #7 11-11-2011, 10:39 AM

It would behave you well if you could point out which part you assume i've got wrong and how so.

winny · #8 11-11-2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Sorry man, but the answer you gave is not correct and misleading, hence my post. There is a lot of this going on in this forum, it would be better to keep things as accurate as possible for the sake of the sim and people's knowledge.

OK then in the interest of correctness..

You said " I think you have a pretty confused concept of sound waves."
His understanding of soundwaves seems ok to me.
Soundwaves can cancel each other out if they are the same amplitude, if they are similar you get disruption to the waves which can mean either an increase or decrease in volume. I'm a sound engineer by trade. It's like when speakers are out of phase.

You also said.. "I personally don't know of any "don't fire synchronised" setup"
I'm pretty sure that British brownings were not synchronised. They were fired pneumatically which meant they couldn't synchronise them.

Aircraft with synchronised guns fired them electrically. I think the 109 was like this but my 109 knowledge is limited.

He111 · #9 11-11-2011, 01:12 PM

I've noticed in the latest patch the 303s are quieter .. which i would assume means better efficiency?

When I open fire in a spit, i can barely hear the guns .. this cannot be correct! I suspect in reality if you opened up with 8 x 303 it would shake the plane, causing rattle n rollin.

The video shows a low pitched sound, 8 x such would probably be the same pitch but louder .. i would assume?

... more milk maid logic ..

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reflected · #10 11-11-2011, 02:12 PM

I love when people start speculating about how it might have sounded from the cockpit to fire 8 brownings... (although I tend to do it myself)

Unless you've done it, you can't possibly know.

Yes, now it's quieter. and pretty high pitch. Then again, sitting in a cockpit of a warbird with a 1000 HP Merlin growling in front of you at 3,000 RPM...that kills pretty much every frequency and I wouldn't be surprised if only the higher frequencies came through. Then again, I might be wrong. We can only be sure of the rate of fire and it sounds correct.

The only reference I've read about it is that it sounded like "tearing calico" - that means 1) high rate of fire 2) high pitch - at least those are the conclusions I've jumped to.

All in all, I have no idea wether the sonud we have is correct or not, but it's not implausible (give nmy limited knowledge and experience)