1st Multisquad Campaign Battle of Britain

Osprey · #1 11-07-2011, 12:40 PM

Just for the record, I wasn't requesting to refly that mission, but rather a 'refly' which allows one to exit and re-enter the server. When the server was re-started I had the chaps restart IL2 to minimise such an event occurring and normally I will not get these freezes at all. Last night, for some reason, I did.

Something else for red only. I think in future we need to avoid airgroups consisting of lonewolves or at least assign a leader with them who is used to some squadron protocols. At Hawkinge everything was fine until the Spitfires spawned in. Quite a few of them ignored the fact that it was an EXTREMELY busy airfield and that all of the Hurricanes were on the taxiways trying to get to a known take off direction. Guess what happened? Spitfires taking off in all directions, towards each other, crashing and even worse slamming into Hurricanes trying to do the right thing. Over the airwaves I had to hear shouts like "He's coming towards us" followed by "he just took me out". Now I hear that SYN were at Hawkinge with Spitfires too I have to question if your chaps were involved in that Jed? I don't know how many you had there but before we set off I was clear that Hawkinge takeoff heading would be east to west on approx 250 from the eastern end (the T marker). Is that how your take off was organised? Perhaps next week one of you chaps can come into the common comms on ATAG and take on board the whole game plan. That would help a great deal. Thanks.

~S~

SYN_Jed · #2 11-07-2011, 12:45 PM

Not us Osprey. We were the guys in hurricanes using the taxiways who took off in front of some other hurris. Better look for someone else to blame.

As for the issue of comms, we explained our position to the mission hoster with regards to the 3rd party Teamspeak location. He seemed fine with it. We did suggest if there was an issue that we would retire.

SYN_Per · #3 11-07-2011, 12:54 PM

Nah mate, not us. The only culpa on our behalf was that we took Hurri Rotols. We were assigned Spits, but originally asked for Hurris, so we overruled HQ by our own design. We like Hurris.
Besides we've been around long enough to know how to behave on a crowded airfield. We have a TS channel. Feel free to join us there next time. It worked flawlessly.

Osprey · #4 11-07-2011, 01:26 PM

I just re-read and saw that you mentioned Hurris so I don't know why I thought you were on Spits. Sorry.

Blame is a strong word, I was investigating after 2 of my chaps got sidewalled by Spitfires. I take it from your reply though that you will not send a chap in temporarily in order to organise a common objective? Seems a bit odd to me, unless it's that old BS called clan pride which rears its ugly head far too often. It looks as though the red was compromised due to this problem, given that we all thought you were assigned Spitfires in accordance with the PM from Farber but you say you just took Hurricanes. Hmmm.

SYN_Jed · #5 11-07-2011, 01:38 PM

Osprey. Lets not turn this into something it isnt. This isnt about clan pride and if you want to know what is is about just pm me and I will gladly fill you in. Im not gonna start on a public forum to discuss our thinking. The reason we took hurris is because that IS what we signed up for and we want to continue our assignment from week to week.

I take it you havent pinned down just who WAS flying across your takeoff path from the people who WERE on comms with you then?...

anyway....back on topic..

ATAG_Bliss · #6 11-07-2011, 02:18 PM

Had a good time ourselves. Don't know about the red side of the house, but us in blue bombers made it back safely. We did have some TS problems (kept getting disconnected etc.) on Jg27 server, but it did get better in the end.

Had no crashes or issues in game, only had lower FPS on the airfield, which seems normal for the amount of planes there.

It was nice to see another organized pairing by the reds in last minute fashion again

SNAFU · #7 11-07-2011, 02:25 PM

There were just 2 of III./JG27 participating, due to the wide spread experience with the launcher.exe problem and we two were expecting to crash out any second, so it was hard to enjoy the flight or take it seriously (you don´t care so much anymore when you expect to crash any second). We were just two 109 so barely enough to contribute or achieve the objectiv of an advanced sweep over Dover. Anyhow, we took off and climbed to 6400m. On the way to Dover we were disctracted by some lonely LW planes flying around here and there. Over Dover it was all quiet and clear until it became appearant, that all the bombers were on a low level raid and no more will come on heights I thought they would. So we dived down, I scared a Spit of 3 Do17s and that seemed to be all. Later we went further down, to investigate was going on there around Dover. There I helped a bleeding 109 and scared off a Hurricane of his tail, when I was attacked by another Hurricane, I could evade and the Hurricane spun into the channel after a few (not serious) hits. Then a string of Hurricanes came down on me and there was no more getting away. My squadmate had an AAA hit and so I had to fight it out and ended in a collision, lost 0,5 wing but limped off closer to the coast, so I wouldn´t have to swim that far.

My experience is that more then 4 (6max) players on one comm-channel is more a nuisance than a help and it is hard to structure and organize groups (whisper keys to channel commanders etc) and we usaully communicate in our mother tongue, that`s why we stayed on our own TS.

Thanks for your work 5.JG27, it is a good start.

SYN_Jed · #8 11-07-2011, 02:35 PM

Ah, Osprey, just worked out who was in the spits myself

bw_wolverine · #9 11-07-2011, 01:42 PM

It all comes down to patience.

People spawn in and get anxious that some other guy is getting an advantage (blues are flying earlier, other reds are up sooner and going to get the kills, etc).

Fortunately for us, the Spits and Hurris in CloD CAN be kept from overheating on the ground almost indefinitely I've found (the Spitfire should be overheating within 10 minutes regardless of your rad settings).We're far better served getting everyone in the air. Take your time. Let the guy in front of you go first even if you're engine is up to temp and he's still waiting. Just wait a minute more. Check your gunsight. Set your compass. Re-check your radiator flap setting.

Another thing. Once we get word of the airfields that we're going to be using, I recommend taking a free flight around it and get to know its layout. Some of us are taking off from fields we never use. Knowing where the runways are in relation to the landmarks and taxiways is very valuable. I would EVEN go so far as to make a little sketch doodle or print out a screen shot of the airfield for reference.

SYN_Jed · #10 11-07-2011, 01:56 PM

From what we saw (on our side of the airfied) there was a very patient build up of warmed aircraft taxi-ing around the taxiways towards the strip. It was lovely to see a long line of Hurris getting ready for the off.

Apart from the overenthusiastic spitfire takoff route it all seemed very well done. In the air we met flights of Hurris and spits patrolling the South coast at varying alts. When the 87`s were spotted at least 2 groups attacked at intervals...again leaving space for others to get in.

Like you say, Wolv, patience is the key.