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[ATAG_Bliss]

First off, I'm not biased towards red or blue. But I think if anyone takes the effort to give it a go on both sides with the intention of living - taking off from a further airfield - climbing in the opposite direction of the action to start off with altitude, etc. I honestly feel both sides are fairly even without the spitII. The 109 will retain it's energy better and climb better, but in doing so it loses the turning contest. If you bounce a 109 without energy in either a spitIa or Rotol Hurri, that 109 is toast or better wording "should be toast". There is absolutely nothing he can do to get away. On the other end of the spectrum, you bounce a slow spit1a or hurri in a 109, they can at least be on the defensive to avoid being shot at, by turning. They may be BnZ'd for 20 minutes straight, but you can at least play the role of avoidance (in a 1v1).

After flying both sides for quite some time in the stupidest of situations to try to get a grasp on the strengths and weaknesses of all the fighters, the spitIIa does virtually everything better than a 109 currently. And as said already, a slow 109 is dead meat already to a spit1a or rotol. I honestly think it's a pretty good match up atm, albeit, the 109 does have the advantage, but that's what team work is for. Get on TS, pair up with a wingman or 3, and you'd be surprised what you can do in virtually any plane in the game.

Until the FM's are corrected, I don't think putting the spitIIa is really the right choice. I do agree the 109 has the advantage, but the room for error is far greater on the red side. The 109 makes one mess up, and well, he's a dead duck. I think you were frustrated Recon, and rightly so But I hope you see where I'm coming from. The spitIIa is just far too superior to even think about going against. We want to encourage actual fighting, at least that's what I like, I always hated chasing 109's all day long in Mk9's as they sat in the ionosphere. And in the current situation, there's definitely plenty of fighting go on, and plenty of killing for both sides

[ReconNZ]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

First off, I'm not biased towards red or blue. But I think if anyone takes the effort to give it a go on both sides with the intention of living - taking off from a further airfield - climbing in the opposite direction of the action to start off with altitude, etc. I honestly feel both sides are fairly even without the spitII. The 109 will retain it's energy better and climb better, but in doing so it loses the turning contest. If you bounce a 109 without energy in either a spitIa or Rotol Hurri, that 109 is toast or better wording "should be toast". There is absolutely nothing he can do to get away. On the other end of the spectrum, you bounce a slow spit1a or hurri in a 109, they can at least be on the defensive to avoid being shot at, by turning. They may be BnZ'd for 20 minutes straight, but you can at least play the role of avoidance (in a 1v1).

Hey Bliss, cheers for the input mate. I'm starting to suspect that my piloting may be at fault here!

There is one situation though where the frustration is really tough to take. That is when you go up against a really good pilot in a 109. These guys wont be drawn into turning fights. They often follow the bombers and they run at the first sign of loosing the advantage. As a Hurri driver it's so frustrating to spend ages chasing a group of bombers up high, only to be bounced by a 109 who then runs away should he make a mistake. Or even should the 109 spot you from a long way out, he just climbs away in a never-ending spiral where your only option is to break out (giving him the advantage). If he doesnt make a mistake, in a hurri you will die. Everytime.

So yeah, I do need to learn better evasion. We do need to fly with wingmen more. We do need to only engage from height. But at the end of the day, we can do all that right, but against guys like Mogas, 9 out of 10 times the guy in the hurri will die. The 109 drivers have no such limitations and no such frustrations.

I dont believe the Spit2 is so much better in the above situations, I think it just levels the playing field. I do though agree that its tough on the less able 109 drivers. So that's why i propose the very limited numbers of spit2s. I know you tried this before, what was the problem? Were they clocking up 30+ kills each? As you know thats what some 109'ers are doing, so if the spit2s arent, then maybe the comparrison isnt that bad in reality?

EDIT: on the plus side, I am becomming a better pilot through all of this this, plus it definately engenders much highler levels of teamwork! Maybe the next Patch will give us the Spit2b! complete with cannons!