Reno air crash ( P51 )

[ElAurens]

The reason...

450+mph.

Trim tab fails.

High G nose up attitude because of broken trim tab.

Pilot blacks out, seat collapses, etc...

Pretty much spells it out.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

The reason...

450+mph.

Trim tab fails.

High G nose up attitude because of broken trim tab.

Pilot blacks out, seat collapses, etc...

Pretty much spells it out.

Now that is all the evidence I need to see........christ! poor guy had no chance.

[winny]

Wow, such a small part of the aircraft too.

That last video does look like he's trying hard to roll away from the crowd. It always amazes me how self-less pilot's can be when they know they're in trouble, without fail they think about the people on the ground.

Respect to him.

[Helrza]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

The reason...

450+mph.

Trim tab fails.

High G nose up attitude because of broken trim tab.

Pilot blacks out, seat collapses, etc...

Pretty much spells it out.

This is not the only thing ive noted that has gone wrong, in a few other pics there is a burst of steam/smoke from behind where the radiator intake should be (has been removed for streamlining i guess) which can be seen in another pic posted here, and also in another picture the tail wheel has extended. To me it seems it could be that something has blown out, throwing bits that have damaged other parts of the a/c, such as the trim tab and tail wheel locking mechanism.

[BadAim]

Has no one heard the old adage "If you've found nothing worth dying for, you've found nothing worth living for" ? I laugh in the face of all of you people who think this or that is "to dangerous" for the public. I have an answer for you: lock yourselves in your house and rot and leave the rest of us alone, because you'll never understand that risk is the only thing that brings value. Every single person who died in Reno yesterday "died with their boots on" doing what they loved (even if it was from a spectator seat), let them have that honor.

Two of my friends were 100' away, and I would have been there had finances allowed, don't try to tell me what I should or shouldn't be allowed to do you sniveling pukes.

If I have offended anyone with the above rant; To bad, I find myself constrained by common sense and simple cannot control my emotions when faced with people who have none.

This is from a local F15 pilot apparantly

"
Guys,

I’ve done some more research. This photo shows that Jimmy’s elevator trim tab is apparently missing. If that’s the case, there is some precedent to tell us what might have happened.

The same thing happened to Bob Hannah in 1996 in Bob Button’s Mustang, called “Voodoo Chile” at the time. Hannah’s trim tab came off at 450 MPH, and the airplane pitched up at over 10Gs, popping the tailwheel out and G-LOCing the pilot. He woke up at 9000’ AGL and successfully landed.

10Gs could also explain why the Jimmy’s helmet is not visible in the canopy (the photo I sent in the previous email.) He might have been slumped down below the rail.

--Buck "

[Rjel]

That old cliche that "they died doing what they loved" is a little hard to take. I doubt those who died had that as their last conscious thought. Unless I'm in the middle of the most beautiful woman I've ever known, I doubt it would be mine.

Originally Posted by BadAim

Has no one heard the old adage "If you've found nothing worth dying for, you've found nothing worth living for" ? I laugh in the face of all of you people who think this or that is "to dangerous" for the public. I have an answer for you: lock yourselves in your house and rot and leave the rest of us alone, because you'll never understand that risk is the only thing that brings value. Every single person who died in Reno yesterday "died with their boots on" doing what they loved (even if it was from a spectator seat), let them have that honor.

Two of my friends were 100' away, and I would have been there had finances allowed, don't try to tell me what I should or shouldn't be allowed to do you sniveling pukes.

If I have offended anyone with the above rant; To bad, I find myself constrained by common sense and simple cannot control my emotions when faced with people who have none.

Oh, then you have been attributed with the privilege to attribute who has common sense and who has not? I'd call this hybris.

Fact is that most spectators will expect the organizers to do the necessary for their safety and have trust in instructions given by authorities, instructions that are expected to assure safety.

According to your logic one could as well lift ALL restrictions to the spectators and even allow them to stroll on the runway if they like.

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

Oh, then you have been attributed with the privilege to attribute who has common sense and who has not? I'd call this hybris.

Fact is that most spectators will expect the organizers to do the necessary for their safety and have trust in instructions given by authorities, instructions that are expected to assure safety.

According to your logic one could as well lift ALL restrictions to the spectators and even allow them to stroll on the runway if they like.

Never argue with an idiot. He will lower you to his level and beat you with experience.

[BadAim]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

According to your logic one could as well lift ALL restrictions to the spectators and even allow them to stroll on the runway if they like.

You say that and wonder at my qualifications to claim common sense?

First off my diatribe was not any kind of argument at all for anything, It was a purely emotional venting of my disdain for the aforementioned pukes.

I actually have enough faith in the human race to be of the opinion that everyone at Reno on Friday knew the risks and were willing to take them.

You and your friends obviously think they are stupid.

Now who is qualifying who has common sense or not?