Would you be willing to pay for additional contend?

[CaptainDoggles]

I voted no. Unless there is a dramatic and immediate improvement in the way Maddox Games interfaces with the community, I will not be giving a single cent. Buggy release? We can understand that it's budgetary issues. Lack of communication? No, I cannot forgive that. It's disgraceful that a major developer would behave in this manner.

We were sold a defective and unfinished product. What do you do when you disappoint your customers? You open the curtains and show them what you're doing to make it right. That's the price you pay, and that's the burden you bear for asking us to have faith in the company who could just as easily take our money and run.

[Madfish]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

I voted no. Unless there is a dramatic and immediate improvement in the way Maddox Games interfaces with the community, I will not be giving a single cent. Buggy release? We can understand that it's budgetary issues. Lack of communication? No, I cannot forgive that. It's disgraceful that a major developer would behave in this manner.

We were sold a defective and unfinished product. What do you do when you disappoint your customers? You open the curtains and show them what you're doing to make it right. That's the price you pay, and that's the burden you bear for asking us to have faith in the company who could just as easily take our money and run.

Not wanting to be mean here but although the product is probably flawed:

Every person that posts on a web forum should know that there is something like game reviews or customer experience reports out there. So no should suffer from the scenario you described.

In most (all) game reviews I saw CloD was trashed. So those rants are very boring and complete lies because your situation is no ones but your own fault.
Don't you think you could have avoided your situation by just reading and not buying? It's like marrying the next girl you see just because you once had a good experience with one girl - usually you evaluate before acting if it's important to you. That also goes for money.

So, if you want to spread rants until the game is dead - fine, go ahead. But if you really want to see the game develop you may consider trashing it a bit less and try to help. This can also be done by refraining from causing additional damage



That said I just want to add that one thing I don't like about micropayment scenarios:
DLC's and micropayment "objects" are too irrelevant to draw the attention of big reviewers. No game magazine or anything bothers to review a single plane for game xyz - especially not if it's the 100th.

Now you could say that you could still go to the community and check with them but... reading through the threads on this forum alone makes clear that you won't always get the most satisfactory opinions.

[CaptainDoggles]

Did you even read what I wrote?

I specifically said we could all understand a buggy release. We can forgive that.

What I have issues with is the abysmal quality and quantity of communication and dialogue between developer and customer.

Try actually reading posts before you call me a liar; it just makes you look like an idiot.

[Madfish]

@captaindoggles

I said the rants in general are lies because it was generally known the game was buggy, almost unplayable for some reviewers.

Furthermore you said you can forgive the state the game is in. All you need is the devs to say: yes, it's buggy? They said it's buggy so I guess your issue was fixed before you even mentioned it. What's the bickering about then?

Also you seem to misunderstand a basic problem here: the primary communication channel is between the publisher and the customer. Not the developer. If you go to a local store and try to buy some fruits but they are rotten - do you call the farmers who grew them or do you go to the store management who sell them?

Talking about abysmal quality of communication: thanks for calling me an idiot and continuing to prove your maturity handling things like aquiring a game or talking about it.


@banned
Why wouldn't there be anyone doing reviews anymore if people start to read them before buying? If there was an even bigger demand for reviews there would be even more of them.

Of course there are always early adopters - but those are always doing it risking that whatever they invested in might be utter crap. I bought the game knowing it had those issues - and it doesn't and didn't bother me so far. I guess some people just aren't that type and should realize this. It's not such a bad thing to wait a few months if you know you are that emotional or can't spend the money is it?



Which then brings us back to the main topic. Because that topic is would anyone pay for additional content. And again I must say that I would like to pay for content that comes in packs that can be reviewed and tested and that do have a value that I can estimate. I don't like blindly buying 100s of planes just to find the ones I like. Or investing into countless addons just to find out they may or may not work together. That doesn't solve the problem for me and thus I like the way they sell this game even if it's in a buggy state. People who have an issue with this could have just waited. That's my personal opinion.

[banned]

Originally Posted by Madfish

@captaindoggles

I said the rants in general are lies because it was generally known the game was buggy, almost unplayable for some reviewers.

Furthermore you said you can forgive the state the game is in. All you need is the devs to say: yes, it's buggy? They said it's buggy so I guess your issue was fixed before you even mentioned it. What's the bickering about then?

Also you seem to misunderstand a basic problem here: the primary communication channel is between the publisher and the customer. Not the developer. If you go to a local store and try to buy some fruits but they are rotten - do you call the farmers who grew them or do you go to the store management who sell them?

Talking about abysmal quality of communication: thanks for calling me an idiot and continuing to prove your maturity handling things like aquiring a game or talking about it.


@banned
Why wouldn't there be anyone doing reviews anymore if people start to read them before buying? If there was an even bigger demand for reviews there would be even more of them.

Of course there are always early adopters - but those are always doing it risking that whatever they invested in might be utter crap. I bought the game knowing it had those issues - and it doesn't and didn't bother me so far. I guess some people just aren't that type and should realize this. It's not such a bad thing to wait a few months if you know you are that emotional or can't spend the money is it?



Which then brings us back to the main topic. Because that topic is would anyone pay for additional content. And again I must say that I would like to pay for content that comes in packs that can be reviewed and tested and that do have a value that I can estimate. I don't like blindly buying 100s of planes just to find the ones I like. Or investing into countless addons just to find out they may or may not work together. That doesn't solve the problem for me and thus I like the way they sell this game even if it's in a buggy state. People who have an issue with this could have just waited. That's my personal opinion.

Mate, believe me it's not the money. I have more money than you'd believe. That's not the point. I agree that 'reviews' by, so called, professional people could be read prior to buying anything.
What I'm saying is people keep going on about reading 'forum' reviews before buying. Again, if people waited for 'forum' reviews then no one would have any to read.
That's what I was trying to say. Sorry it didn't come across that way. I'm not emotional either mate, if that's what you're trying to imply.
Your 'fruit' scenario is a bit silly. If your saying that Clod was a 'nice piece of fruit' and somehow it was damaged or made 'rotten' later then sorry but, I don't think so.
If you're saying that the 'Store' purchased 'rotten' fruit and then tried to sell it, then yes I wouldn't be happy with the store.
Again, sorry for getting you emotional.

[banned]

Originally Posted by Madfish

Not wanting to be mean here but although the product is probably flawed:

Every person that posts on a web forum should know that there is something like game reviews or customer experience reports out there. So no should suffer from the scenario you described.

In most (all) game reviews I saw CloD was trashed. So those rants are very boring and complete lies because your situation is no ones but your own fault.
Don't you think you could have avoided your situation by just reading and not buying? It's like marrying the next girl you see just because you once had a good experience with one girl - usually you evaluate before acting if it's important to you. That also goes for money.

So, if you want to spread rants until the game is dead - fine, go ahead. But if you really want to see the game develop you may consider trashing it a bit less and try to help. This can also be done by refraining from causing additional damage



That said I just want to add that one thing I don't like about micropayment scenarios:
DLC's and micropayment "objects" are too irrelevant to draw the attention of big reviewers. No game magazine or anything bothers to review a single plane for game xyz - especially not if it's the 100th.

Now you could say that you could still go to the community and check with them but... reading through the threads on this forum alone makes clear that you won't always get the most satisfactory opinions.

These people who keep saying that no one should get ripped because they should have read the reviews first, frustrate the crap out of me. If everyone worked in that basis then there wouldn't be any bloody reviews. Most times you have to trust, the people who advertise their products, that their product will be the same as their advertising. In any case, most have put up with this so far but, like me, just want to know what's being done to rectify the myriad of problems.

[Kakashi]

yeah.... I have put that game away like a month after I bought it (so maybe 2 month ago)... Game is useless, even the simple throttle prop + mixture don't work... sound is lame, graphical bugs everywhere, and changes every time I booted up the game...
And worst of all... the promised Su 26 is nowhere to be seen and never sent me a postcard about where its at. I'm done with this. I haven't even checked this forum in a month easily I was stunned to find out HOW LITTLE it "advanced" (Yes the "" are necessary as Luthier announces they are starting from scratches...)
Anyways good luck to you guys who will keep their faith and promote the game.

No.

If it was paid content from the start maybe but not now. I also have little faith that they would deliver.

[gonk]

A better poll is will you buy anything early (if at all from 1C) again...after pre-purchasing this atrocity... no. Thx for the last 10 years but for now it is uninstall and to the shelf of shame...

As it stands, NOOOOoooooOOOOOoo!

The game is apparently undergoing a ground-up renovation and maybe then I'll think about it, but as it stands right now? Not a chance.

When something goes wrong (like an unfinished buggy game being released) there are three ways to go about this communication wise, and companies have been doing this for years.

Stonewall: Don't release any info, keep everyone in the dark hope that your lack of communication will cause an information vacuum and result in the consumers not having anything to talk about. The idea behind this is that with no info, there is no discussion so other potential customers might buy the product.

Manage the Media: Release only the info you want. This is a "need to know" type deal and hopefully if you only say good things and act optimistic everyone will think that things are going ok and play along.

Open Communication: Let them know everything. Tell them that it's a broken product and show them what you are doing to rectify the situation. Ask for input and keep everyone up to date on your progress.

Right now Maddox Games is walking the line between the first two and pretending that they are actually doing the third. They're hoping that an "up-beat" sentence or two every month will keep everyone reassured and happy and that new customers will think that the solution is days away.

'm not a happy customer, and honestly I don't see this working out as well as I had hoped. I'm praying that the money lasts long enough to get things on track and that Luthier is the man to get this mess that Oleg derailed back on track.