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[AndyJWest]

Sternjaeger II, you really don't have the faintest clue what you are talking about. Troll elsewhere.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Sternjaeger II, you really don't have the faintest clue what you are talking about. Troll elsewhere.

Well fortunately there's people like yourself that can enlighten us poor imbeciles on what's right and wrong.. I, unlike you, motivate my statements with suitable examples, you don't. You remind me of a certain other forum member that was banned recently and adopted your same style.. you, sir, are the troll here.

[Hood]

So:

US - guns are good because you can defend yourself plus it's a right and you don't want to let that right go because that's giving in to the government. High gun crime but less petty crime per capita.

UK - guns are bad but you pretty much never need to defend yourself. Most people have never owned guns or been involved with or threatened with them so don't really mind laws against them as it isn't a big deal. Not a lot of gun crime but more petty crime.

Italy - same as the US with minor differences. Less gun and petty crime.

To summarise I've looked at various websites with various stats. I have no idea if they're correct or not and I can't bother quoting them as everyone can look themselves. For the US I have no doubt that gun crime in some areas is high and in others non existent. You can't really consider the US as in many ways it is 50 different countries.

What was suprising is that per capita Sweden and Switzerland came out quite high up, though with small populations any gun crime will bump the figures up.

And despite the tragedy of Norway and its currently bad gun crime rating (and just typing that makes me curse myself for almost trivialising the tragedy) it is a fantastic beautiful place with friendly, generous and great people; it just has its share of malcontents or lunatics. Just like everywhere else really.

Anyway, this started off about the UK riots. They're done and dusted now and we won't see them again for a long time. Can we shoot this thread in the head?

Hood

[Vengeanze]

Originally Posted by Hood

What was suprising is that per capita Sweden and Switzerland came out quite high up, though with small populations any gun crime will bump the figures up.

That's another interesting aspect. Most shootings here are done by organised crime having some disputes like HA fighting Bandidos or russian mafia killing off some ukranian mafia.
Very seldom are the victims innocent.
Instead we're going for world domination by selling furnitures with hidden intelligence in em.

[Hood]

Originally Posted by Vengeanze

That's another interesting aspect. Most shootings here are done by organised crime having some disputes like HA fighting Bandidos or russian mafia killing off some ukranian mafia.
Very seldom are the victims innocent.
Instead we're going for world domination by selling furnitures with hidden intelligence in em.

Hehe I thought the furniture was designed to make people feel stupid trying to put it together?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Hood

So:

US - guns are good because you can defend yourself plus it's a right and you don't want to let that right go because that's giving in to the government. High gun crime but less petty crime per capita.

UK - guns are bad but you pretty much never need to defend yourself. Most people have never owned guns or been involved with or threatened with them so don't really mind laws against them as it isn't a big deal. Not a lot of gun crime but more petty crime.

Italy - same as the US with minor differences. Less gun and petty crime.

unfortunately that's not the case. Italy has the same rules for firearms like most of Europe, but crime is still there, this to show that guns and crime are not necessarily linked. It's important to identify what kind of crime we're talking about though. Example: mob gangs shooting at each other? Their issue, they do it regularly, problem is that sometimes innocent bystanders get in the way, not always, but it happened. The problem is that you can't eradicate that kind of crime easily, it's not like you go to the local Don Corleone, knock at their door and say "look, from now on no guns, only bar fights, ok?" .

We also have a lot of burglary happening, mostly done by desperate immigrants and low life scum. There have been cases in northern Italy where whole families were tied, beaten and in some cases raped while they were robbing their house, something a la Clockwork Orange. Now after that experience, how can you tell the victims "no need to arm yourselves"? Police can't be everywhere all the time, it's a fact.

And yes, there are the random individuals that shoot themselves and/or the family, but killing crime is mostly done by other means, and knives are still often the weapon of choice, cos they're there and easy to use in a raptus. Shall we ban knives from households?

As someone else said, guns are just tools, which can also be used to stop and prevent crime.

Example: if I walk on a road and see an armed police officer, I will think twice before getting into the shop and robbing it, because if I do it and get out, I will likely get my a** shot. If I'm in the same situation and see an unarmed police officer, I will be more tempted, cos I can leg it. Fighting crime needs to be an uneven and unfair one, police needs to be stronger than the average criminal, otherwise it's just a farse.

[Hood]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

unfortunately that's not the case. Italy has the same rules for firearms like most of Europe, but crime is still there, this to show that guns and crime are not necessarily linked.

Quite. Perhaps my post wasn't clear enough. Italy allows guns but according to various statistics gun crime and other crimes are less per capita than in the US or UK.

I'm also glad to see that UK citizens are now labelled sheep just because we hold a view that does not agree with those of a minority or non-UK citizens, and that we all like Jordan. I would... but only after a few pints... But I don't drink so that's another stereotype I fail to fit into. It is also disappointing to see democracy via a majority equated to Nazi Germany.

Stern, please dial back your rhetoric because passionate or not you're just starting to insult people that just so happen to hold a different view from you. That their posts lack tact doesn't really excuse anybody responding in kind.

Baaaaah (I would... but only when I'm in my wellies...)

Hood

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Hood

Quite. Perhaps my post wasn't clear enough. Italy allows guns but according to various statistics gun crime and other crimes are less per capita than in the US or UK.

ah ok, gotcha now.

I'm also glad to see that UK citizens are now labelled sheep just because we hold a view that does not agree with those of a minority or non-UK citizens, and that we all like Jordan. I would... but only after a few pints... But I don't drink so that's another stereotype I fail to fit into. It is also disappointing to see democracy via a majority equated to Nazi Germany.

aawww come on, it was in reply to winny's distorted view of democracy. Plus don't forget that Nazi Germany was born as a democracy anyway, it was deformed into what it was eventually, but nobody was looking for an emperor. The historical problem with regimes and social problems is that we never see that coming, we think of the examples of the past as...well..the past, and don't think for a minute it could happen again. The issue with modern society is that it's a headless beast, it can take the most unexpected directions and get ugly very easily.

Stern, please dial back your rhetoric because passionate or not you're just starting to insult people that just so happen to hold a different view from you. That their posts lack tact doesn't really excuse anybody responding in kind.

Baaaaah (I would... but only when I'm in my wellies...)

Hood

I didn't start the insults war, it was others that stated going on the low levels cos they ran out of arguments. I'm just asking to THINK objectively about the issue, and not give me the ready-made propaganda that you've been fed with so far, simply cos I come from another culture and find some of your decisions extremely contradictory and too bent towards the political correctness.

[ATAG_Doc]

Batter up!

"sales of baseball bats in the U.K. suddenly increased by over 6,000 percent last week"

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20...ment-s-failure

[Vengeanze]

Originally Posted by timej31

Batter up!

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20...ment-s-failure

Cute.