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08-09-2011, 12:47 PM
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And contrary to your claims of evidence there is none despite your wishfull thinking. I have been researching mythological deities for several years and everyone has ended up being false or just another myth. We nuked Germany in WW2? I thought that was Japan. Witness to something rare is not proof of anything. Saints are normal people. If that is your standard for evidence than by your definition UFO's are 100% real.
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08-09-2011, 01:59 PM
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UFO's, ET life and the mysteries of the universe are fascinating topics. When I look up in the middle of the night I am looking back in time. How far back in time depends on the distance of the star or galaxy.
It may well be that what I am looking at no longer exists or something that does exist in my present time period has yet to appear. Life may well have established itself but what I and observatories see is the historical past not the present. I saw a documentary on SETI and the search criteria is extremely narrow in terms of the Radio Frequency that is being searched for. SETI may never actually reveal or find evidence as it is has to work with assumptions. Me, I keep an open mind. Charles C Clarke said something along the lines that the implications for mankind were equally imense if we were not alone or discovered that we were alone! My only encounter with UFO's was during the weekend at 1-30 am.................on the Syndicate server! Last edited by SEE; 08-09-2011 at 02:01 PM.
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08-09-2011, 03:07 PM
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You may want to hit the books a bit harder as there happens to be quite a few historically documented witnesses of the man "Jesus" and his cult than just the bible. Personally, I don't think he was the "son of God" but it doesn't mean he didn't exist. But anyway, I find it amusing how you managed to miss that in your extensive "research" and yet are so willing to label UFO witnesses as credible and somehow make the leap of logic that alien visitations are more "true" because of this. Be honest with yourself. You choose to believe in cow-punching, sky-dancing visitors from space simply on faith because of a preponderance of circumstantial second-hand stories by people you don't know, yet somehow are credible because of a badge or pilot's license. The incredible irony here is that you are so quick to dismiss the experience of millions of people, from all walks of life including pilots and police, that claim personal experience of their God, yet will take perhaps thousands of UFO alien claims as somehow overwhelming evidence. I'm fine with the fact you believe in alien flying saucers but from my perspective, and the standard of logical reasoning, it's just as likely there is a bearded man up there arbitrarily judging us as there are grey aliens with big eyes doing the same.
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08-09-2011, 04:49 PM
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“Violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children: organized religion ought to have a great deal on its conscience.” ― Christopher Hitchens Last edited by Oldschool61; 08-09-2011 at 05:19 PM.
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08-09-2011, 05:40 PM
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I'm just saying there are "witnesses" for Jesus the man not trying to imply that this would necessitate him being the son of a God. How many times do I have to say this? Lastly, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone these days that believe in the mythical deities you mention so I doubt it's much of a life-calling to debunk them. I merely point out the irony in your alien religion (you believe in them out of faith not evidence since, well...there isn't any). Other than that, I agree with you. 
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08-09-2011, 06:17 PM
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Just a quick post on the complete charlatanism of Dr. Steven Greer. Head of the Disclosure Project. Numero Uno of the "ETs are visiting us" community.
First take a look at this forum post titled "The latest from Steven Greer". http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...t=Greer+Latest Some choice highlights.... Quote:
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Luckily for all concerned Dr. Greer has a whole raft of initiatives to keep your wallet slim while we wait for the inevitable revelations. Quote:
Here's a 2 week trip to Stonehenge (natch) where you can sit around pretending your in contact with aliens. And it's only $3840! http://www.cseti.org/england2011.shtml But if you can't afford that there's always an alternative. How about an iPhone app? Yes indeed, the perfect gift for the ET contactee on the move.  Here's a picture of the cretin....  Remember kids, if you think this man is in any way credible - you are an idiot. 
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08-09-2011, 06:46 PM
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Actually I give the guy props. He found himself a niche job that pays very well and made himself a rockstar amongst his following.
Of course, much like Scientology or anyone in the Psychic field, there's nothing to what he's teaching but he knows that quite well and is more than willing to help fools part with their money willingly. I'm thinking of setting up a tertiary business to siphon some of that easy money off, hook myself with some credentials, and making an assload of money. The beauty of the internet is that it makes a pretty good freak-funnel. Anyone want in on this?
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08-09-2011, 07:00 PM
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You sell an invisable product, couldnt be easier!!
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“Violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children: organized religion ought to have a great deal on its conscience.” ― Christopher Hitchens
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08-09-2011, 06:45 PM
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“Violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children: organized religion ought to have a great deal on its conscience.” ― Christopher Hitchens
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08-09-2011, 05:17 PM
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The existence of grey aliens with big eyes is an empirical issue - you assert (and I would agree) that there is no credible evidence for their existence. But without an assumption that life only evolved once in the universe there is surely a tiny possiblity that they are indeed there, watching and judging from behind their stealth fields, descending occasionally to probe the fundament of an unwary midwesterner. By contrast, the existence or otherwise of a patriarchal deity is not an empirical matter of uncertain status. So probability does not come into it. (Disclaimer: this comment should not be taken to be part of a religious discussion. It is a comment about what a religious discussion is). So how can they be "equally likely"? On another note it is surprising how long governments used to be able to keep secrets - take the Polish/UK cracking of the German Ultra code in WW2. Hundreds of people knew something about this and many a great deal, yet the general public and even professional military historians had no idea until sometime in the seventies, IIRC, when the records were released. In those days, when some elderly officer in a regimental tie sat you down and told you that you could never discuss your work even with your family, you did what you were told. Not sure how that would work now....
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