UFO's and extra-terrestrial life

[CharveL]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

It has been shown also, that in some cases, particles can and do TFL
(Tunnel Diode)




light travels faster than the headlights producing it do, so it makes it hard to understand yourthing there

Link for the Tunnel Diode effect please. If it's what I'm thinking of, there is no actual travelling FTL here but another effect I believe is called quantum tunneling.

The light from the headlights to an observer would not go any faster than the headlights themselves although to you (in the car) it may appear so. Time, in this sense is different for the observer than yourself.

Read the article or do your own googling and you will get a better explanation than from me.

[Wolf_Rider]

Apologies Sternjaeger, a bit sharp yes, but not directed totally to you. It was more a statement on the "consensus/ heretic" thing which has plagued the world since Adam was a boy.... the catwoman jealousy was in direct reply though

Originally Posted by CharveL

Link for the Tunnel Diode effect please. If it's what I'm thinking of, there is no actual travelling FTL here but another effect I believe is called quantum tunneling.

yes, you are correct there (post amended and no more Coopers for me tonight )

Originally Posted by CharveL

The ight from the headlights to an observer would not go any faster than the headlights themselves although to you (in the car) it may appear so.

(I believe you mean 'L'ight - point taken )

correct in that the headlights aren't travelling as fast as the light they are outputting and we agree (it seems) that the viewport of the observer does have effect on that which is observed

Originally Posted by CharveL

Time, in this sense is different for the observer than yourself.

the thing about time is; a (us) 3 dimensional person cannot understand the 4th dimension, any more than a 2 dimensional critter can understand the 3rd dimension.

I'll explain it this way: all we see/ understand of the 4th dimesnion is as a shadow of what that dimension is. eg draw a cube on a sheet of paper (2 dimensional x / y that paper is for this purpose). Now try to explain what height is (Z) to that which has no concept of "up" to explain what a cube is.

Originally Posted by CharveL

Read the article or do your own googling and you will get a better explanation than from me.

In the 5th dimension, gravity isn't valid

Originally Posted by bongodriver

equal and opposite reaction, the throw of the ball will create just enough opposite force to slow the train enough so the balls travel is never faster than light.

EOR plays out in the shoulder and hips... even if some made it through, the ball still travels from the rear to the front of the carriage

try again

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

EOR plays out in the shoulder and hips...

Which transfer the force to the train... Bongo nailed it.

[flyingblind]

Wouldn't a car travelling at the speed of light and the light from its headlamps simply arrive at their destination at the same time?

[bongodriver]

Yep...just like the ball and train.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by flyingblind

Wouldn't a car travelling at the speed of light and the light from its headlamps simply arrive at their destination at the same time?

in considering that the car would have to get up to speed, after leaving Point A, and then slow down at the other end, before arriving at Point B... it could be safe to say no.

[DayGlow]

[Wolf_Rider]

"The geocentric model held sway into the early modern age, but was gradually replaced from the late 16th century onward by the heliocentric model of Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler. However, the transition between these two theories met much resistance, not only from the Catholic Church and its reluctance to accept a theory not placing God's creation at the center of the universe, but also from those who saw geocentrism as a fact that could not be subverted by a new, weakly justified theory."

- wiki

consensus/ heretic

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

in considering that the car would have to get up to speed, after leaving Point A, and then slow down at the other end, before arriving at Point B... it could be safe to say no.

That's beside the point. The fact is that the light from the car and the light from the car's headlights would reach the destination at the same time. But to the driver the light from the cars headlights would also be traveling away from the car at the speed of light, for the same reason that the person throwing the ball in the carrige can see the person they are throwing the ball to. So the time of the people traveling is slowed down to make this posible. The ball doesn't travel faster than light. It travels at the same speed as it does when thrown when the carrige is stationary.

[Wolf_Rider]

lol... its not beside the point and something which had to be taken into account. If there wasn't any slowing down, things could get ugly trying to disembark, eh?

If you really meant, 'whilst travelling at", you could be quite right about the headlights, but the ball travelling "It travels at the same speed as it does when thrown when the carrige is stationary." still applies in motion at any speed, depending on the observer's viewport Observed on the carriage, the ball would possibly be as you suggest, but, observed from outside (as a passerby) you get something different.

Dayglow's cartoon (frames 5, 6 and 7) explains "observer" and "viewport" rather well