UFO's and extra-terrestrial life

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by patrat1

of course ets exist. the universe is so friggin immense its pretty much a given that theres litterlly millions of civilizations out there.


the bad news is that einstiens probaly right about faster than light travel. which means in effect, that all those civilizations are forever effectivly isolated from one another. the well known fermi paradox seeems to back this line of reasoning.

+1

Einstein's theory that we can't go faster than the speed of light in the conventional space as we have it now has apparently recently been confirmed by a Cambridge researcher, it's all about experimenting with new dimensions.

Maybe one day we will receive their radio waves, but either we haven't been able to decipher them again or they're still too far.

As for Unidentified Flying Object, yes, they exist for sure, let's not forget that they aren't necessarily related to alien life though.

[Rattlehead]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

As for Unidentified Flying Object, yes, they exist for sure, let's not forget that they aren't necessarily related to alien life though.

Yeah, a distinction should be drawn between the two. A UFO doesn't neccessarily mean alien, just unidentified.

[TeeJay82]

well... we could not go through mountains until the tunnel was invented either right?

i bet there are more than 4 dimensions out there in space and one of em will have different rules for space time and matter...

subspace FTW!!

one day, im sure humanity will GTFO of this rock... unless we destroy ourselves due to greed before that happens

no smartass comments please im only a humble welder with my own oppinions

so if black holes can break the speed of light rule with gravity, so can we

[TheDawg]

I guy I grew up with- his dad was a B-52 jockey towards the end of the war- the first time a rocket propelled cannon platform came up thru their formation, took out a bomber and vanished, panic does NOT quite cover the hysteria that over took the entire groupe.
After debriefing none of the crews were allowed to talk about it, but they did, initially it was simply assumed the germans had some futuristic buck rogers rocketship type thing, maybe they had a base on the moon, the theorys were wild and speculative to say the least, but we were all doomed, lol.

UFO

[Skoshi Tiger]

It all depends. If we live in an infinite universe, then everything that is possible exists so the answer is yes BUT if we live in a finite universe then there is a possiblity that we are alone.

I think that the reason we haven't met haven't met any ET's is that they saw us first and have put us on their ignore list.

Cheers!

[TheDawg]

There is but one problem pondering the infinite.
We are finite creatures.
Therefore nearly incapable of understanding, let alone relating to the infinite.

[Mr Logic]

All belief systems are reliant on an absence of proof.

Without establishment of truth via all of the five human senses any thought construct can be deemed to be therefore untruth.

See Immanuel Kant's 'Critique of Pure Reason' for reference to the a priori continuance of a particle from second to second.

[CharveL]

The universe is demonstrably finite and expanding, for about 13 - 14 billion years.

Although we are finding an abundance of extra-solar planets, many of which reside in the potentially "habitable" zone, we are also learning that there is an increasingly daunting number of factors that must coincide to form life as we have defined it, and exponentially more still for it to evolve even to our point. Even then, with intelligence and technology do they even want to reach out to anyone else?

Black holes don't do anything that breaks the speed of light.

Our universe may be an expanding bubble amongst other bubble universes but even if we could travel to them we'd likely die instantly if physics principles vary even slightly to those defined in the birth of our own.

Perhaps in lieu of traveling faster than the speed of light (even approaching it slows time and increases mass) these "aliens" could bend space-time to get around but good luck with that. Possible, perhaps. Likely, not a chance.

Now, consider the past say, 10 years pretty much everyone and their grandmother has a cellphone with a camera in it. Consider the past 40-50 years since the UFO first became popularized and made us want to be believers. No definitive photos or video. I can understand it being rare but not one video of a craft landing in a field with a big-eyed lanky grey alien stepping out to take a two-stream piss on their way to some Tatooine canteen.

Conclusion: unless you are religiously attracted to the alien phenomenon by faith and ignore logic and statistical data, one has to conclude that alien visitation to this planet is very unlikely.

To each their own but some people with little money and sense, and a faith in things like destiny and fate, love to spend money on lottery tickets as well.

[Wolf_Rider]

Faster than light not possible?

Try this... imagine a train carriage hurtling along at the speed of light and you are just a passerby watching this.
At the rear of the carriage is a chap who throws a ball to another chap at the front of the carriage; that ball is travelling faster than the speed of light.
As an observer, within the carriage, it would appear that there is just one chap throwing a ball to another chap.

There "relativity" was born

A similar thing can be seen with a carousel and two people at opposite sides throwing a ball to each other. To a viewer on the Carousel, the ball appears to go straight, but, when viewed from above, the ball travels in a curve. (corioli effect)

The Fourth dimension is time and us 3 dimensional criters see the shadow of that as "inside/ outside" (but it is both at the same instant - no beginning, no end)

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by CharveL

The universe is demonstrably finite and expanding, for about 13 - 14 billion years.

Although we are finding an abundance of extra-solar planets, many of which reside in the potentially "habitable" zone, we are also learning that there is an increasingly daunting number of factors that must coincide to form life as we have defined it, and exponentially more still for it to evolve even to our point. Even then, with intelligence and technology do they even want to reach out to anyone else?

Black holes don't do anything that breaks the speed of light.

Our universe may be an expanding bubble amongst other bubble universes but even if we could travel to them we'd likely die instantly if physics principles vary even slightly to those defined in the birth of our own.

Perhaps in lieu of traveling faster than the speed of light (even approaching it slows time and increases mass) these "aliens" could bend space-time to get around but good luck with that. Possible, perhaps. Likely, not a chance.

Now, consider the past say, 10 years pretty much everyone and their grandmother has a cellphone with a camera in it. Consider the past 40-50 years since the UFO first became popularized and made us want to be believers. No definitive photos or video. I can understand it being rare but not one video of a craft landing in a field with a big-eyed lanky grey alien stepping out to take a two-stream piss on their way to some Tatooine canteen.

Conclusion: unless you are religiously attracted to the alien phenomenon by faith and ignore logic and statistical data, one has to conclude that alien visitation to this planet is very unlikely.

To each their own but some people with little money and sense, and a faith in things like destiny and fate, love to spend money on lottery tickets as well.

Do you realise that in an infinite universe there is another CharveL identical to you in every resepect down to the spin of the atoms that just posted the complete opposite?


Cheers!