Of all the 'niggling' damge model issues, this one is my greatest irritation :(

JG52Uther · #1 07-31-2011, 11:43 AM

I think whats being said Krupi is that the wing should be torn off, not snapped off cleanly like a kitkat.
Go back to bed Mr Grumpy

JG52Krupi · #2 07-31-2011, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JG52Uther

I think whats being said Krupi is that the wing should be torn off, not snapped off cleanly like a kitkat.
Go back to bed Mr Grumpy

I agree I said it should not be a clean break but the weak point would always be running along a rib hence its going to snap along that line.

Check out every video of 190 being shot down by an RAF cannon its to me it look like a pretty straight snap, then compare the area in the vid to a picture of an 190s wing internal structure.

Tbh Uther a kitkat is a perfect example of a weak point between two ribs...

furbs · #3 07-31-2011, 12:06 PM

Krupi, i think were saying its fine for the hurri to break along the weak spot like you said.

the problem is there is no visual damage of the break. it looks like the wing has been laser cut.

i would guess any wing breaks from are from cannons breaking the spars, then the wing fails along the ribs as you say, but im sure there would be damage along the break.

Or the shells blew up the fuel tank, and then the wing....i dont think i have to say any more mate.

The wing break as in your pic looks unnatural and too clean, thats what we are saying.

JG52Krupi · #4 07-31-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by furbs

Krupi, i think were saying its fine for the hurri to break along the weak spot like you said.

the problem is there is no visual damage of the break. it looks like the wing has been laser cut.

i would guess any wing breaks from are from cannons breaking the spars, then the wing fails along the ribs as you say, but im sure there would be damage along the break.

Or the shells blew up the fuel tank, and then the wing....i dont think i have to say any more mate.

The wing break as in your pic looks unnatural and too clean, thats what we are saying.

Okay maybe a bit more spar jutting out perhaps a bit more of the cover protruding from the snap line... but just check out the video of the 190s with the wing blown off...

But the internals of each aircraft are different see this pic

The damage modeled in COD is exactly where you would expect to see a break, the spar is screwed onto the wing joint its just gonna be ripped off similar to the image in COD... just a little more work required.

Ataros · #5 07-31-2011, 12:58 PM

Some people play too much WOP which does not model internal structure of aircraft correctly.

There is necessary visual detail where material is actually torn apart.
Deformation from a collision is different than deformation from structure overload in result of gunfire (different vector of forces applied).

JG52Krupi · #6 07-31-2011, 12:59 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...completed.html

Just to add some more info on this particular hurri break.

post image wordpress

The outer wing seems to be held in place by four bolts only, when they shear this is what you would see so it is modeled correctly.

furbs · #7 07-31-2011, 01:32 PM

Yes Krupi, your COD pic looks just like the real pic where the wing has been "removed" prob with spanners and stuff, and not ripped off by cannon fire from a 109 at 250MPH

edit. look at your sig. and come on TS you spoon.

JG52Krupi · #8 07-31-2011, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by furbs

Yes Krupi, your COD pic looks just like the real pic where the wing has been "removed" prob with spanners and stuff, and not ripped off by cannon fire from a 109 at 250MPH

edit. look at your sig. and come on TS you spoon.

That's a 109

not a hurri completely different structure.

Just watching the F1 I will be on there soon.

Mysticpuma · #9 07-31-2011, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by furbs

Krupi, i think were saying its fine for the hurri to break along the weak spot like you said.

the problem is there is no visual damage of the break. it looks like the wing has been laser cut.

i would guess any wing breaks from are from cannons breaking the spars, then the wing fails along the ribs as you say, but im sure there would be damage along the break.

Or the shells blew up the fuel tank, and then the wing....i dont think i have to say any more mate.

The wing break as in your pic looks unnatural and too clean, thats what we are saying.

Thanks furbs, at-least you understand what I am pointing out as do many others.

The break along the point of structural failure, and as has been pointed out, a bolted point too, would surely not just loo like it had cleaved apart with a laser?

I am not expecting entrails to be spewing forth from the aircraft, but I would assume a little inconsistancy in the area of failure rather than a nice smooth edge?

The pictures showing collision damage seem to be promising, but I wonder why that type of damage effect couldn't be added to wing tear or shot-off wings, so it looks less clinical.

I am not an expert and watching that gun-camera clip in the previous postings, only showed one example of a wing being lost, but even then it was catastrophic and to think it would be a perfectly clean edge would be very far-fetched?

So back to the original point, why can't Clod be tweaked to show the collision damage model on wing breaks from aerial attacks just to make it appear that it is a damage model that has progressed from the original 1946 software?

Also look at the two images attached. The Hurricane has lost the end of a wing and it is nowhere near as clean an edge as shown in Clod.

Second the Spitfire damage shows twisted metal in the fuselage. Now if that was in the air, the twisted metal would be dangling behind the fuselage as the tail fell away, neither would have a clinically clean edge?

Cheers, MP.

PS. There is no-need to get irate in your replies, it's a respectful post with examples of another simulation that shows imperfect damage effects and I wonder why CloD just doesn't implement the same visual damage as it has a far superior graphics and damage model?

JG52Krupi · #10 07-31-2011, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

The break along the point of structural failure, and as has been pointed out, a bolted point too, would surely not just loo like it had cleaved apart with a laser?

I am not expecting entrails to be spewing forth from the aircraft, but I would assume a little inconsistancy in the area of failure rather than a nice smooth edge?

There is only one scene that I can see that has a smooth edge... please give me images of the other scenarios please

And that one scene as the images I and Skoshi have posted should tell you that the assembly process would lead to a break that does not do much damage.

The hurri has a much stronger inner wing due to the landing gear connecting there, the outer wing is bolted on afterwards if sufficient force hits the wing around this point clearly there is going to be a failure (Im no stress engineer and don't know enough about the hurri to determine what would break first) the bolts do seem like a weak point...

What would you expect to see?