"Adventure" Mod

[Fatt_Shade]

Originally Posted by infernal1800

Yes I agree with you, undead is a great race to use and funny to play. I think the game designer hate those creature because the undead race suffer many disadvantages such as holy anger skill, holy warriors like paladin can inflict 50% more damage to the undead... The most annoying thing when you're playing the undead is the decreasing morale they cause to other race. The demon has the same fate too.

Maybe bladeking77 also hate the undead so he dont want us to use those greeny faces or skeleton

But you forgot that undead are easy`s race to keep alive, and have some of best leadership/dmg ratio in game (skeleton archers, black knights, bone dragons).
Game developers don`t hate undead, they overpowered them since
KB-TL and left them as strongest race so far.
And sickest combo in game is with undead : Moro Dark + black knights, and they have some of best item sets also(darkness, undead sets), and it`s only trace that get bonus initiative/attack from hero with dark commander skill(no other race get such bonus). As for negative morale to other races, it`s normal (elves and dwarves give each other morale penalty, why should they like undead/demons?). if you dont like low morale, plat undead+neutrals, or undead+demons no morale problem with that combination.

[infernal1800]

Originally Posted by Fatt_Shade

But you forgot that undead are easy`s race to keep alive, and have some of best leadership/dmg ratio in game (skeleton archers, black knights, bone dragons).
Game developers don`t hate undead, they overpowered them since
KB-TL and left them as strongest race so far.
And sickest combo in game is with undead : Moro Dark + black knights, and they have some of best item sets also(darkness, undead sets), and it`s only trace that get bonus initiative/attack from hero with dark commander skill(no other race get such bonus). As for negative morale to other races, it`s normal (elves and dwarves give each other morale penalty, why should they like undead/demons?). if you dont like low morale, plat undead+neutrals, or undead+demons no morale problem with that combination.

I agree with you that undead race has some strong creature compare to other race but i disagree that the undead is overpower. I dont know much about KBTL but in crossworld, the undead and demon have a nasty drawback that only the spell evlin can resurrect them and nothing can heal them at all. That is the reason why we dont have any strategies to finish a no loss run with demon or undead except Black Knight with Evlin and heavy defensive spell or something like that. In the other hand, any creature of human race is quite strong compare to the others. Runemage has resurrect spell, summon spell,a powerful attack spell that similar with red dragon's fire breath and his strength and resistance can be beefed up by runes. Human also has Paladin who can resurrect up to six ally troop and damage the undead and demon at the same time, he also can give turn to friendly troop without completing his turn and he has very high stats and resistances. What else do you need from a level 4 creature? Dont forget that human still has inquisitor, he can resurrect your troop and give you a huge amount of rage. Beside those units, swordman, guardsman and bowman are decent units for non-no loss run.

I myself dont like playing no loss because it just make the game boring. I like creating new maps, new campaign with new challenges. Not just repeat those black knights, droids, paladins with old spell like phantom, elvin etc

[Fatt_Shade]

Hm undead AREN`T overpowered ???
Lets check this out :
skeleton archer best leadership/dmg ratio in game, and i think they are strongest 1st lvl unit,
ghost/cursed ghost/ghost pirates completly sick for enemy phisical dmg dealers, no need to buy them they grow by themselves,
vampires/ancient vampires no retaliation, life drain, no CRIT hit (sick unit)
black knights with shard of darkness most OP unit in game,
necromancers, great for +1 morale undead, and aoe attack for lots of rage, good suport unit,
bone dragons aoe poison attack, against all living/demon/dragon units great dmg, cause low resistances.
All undead have pretty low leadership per unit. I know only way to keep no loss is evlin, but it`s requierd for ranged units vampires/ghosts keep their own numbers with life drain skills, but on other hand evlin have highest resurrecting % in game.
As you mentioned human units are great picks, but i stoped using them because they bored me like you. Paladin is great suport with phantom spell, inquisitor also, rune mage is overpriced and his rail gun attack isnt that great because his low speed and attack, horseman is sick with warrior counterattack skill. But comparing human with undead i must say every undead have better leadership/dmg ratio then their human counterpart.
And human item sets are weaker then undead.
And if you look for overpowerd unit/combo try solo asmodean in red sands mod it`s so easy, it`s not even funny
i tryed many builds and hero combinations, and they all have up and down sides it only depends what you like in this game and there is so much to like.I only wish that they somehow balance all choices in game like all archer build is totaly sick (triger, paladin-archer-elf-hunter-5th unit by choice or moldok/rakush paladin-blood shaman-goblin-goblin shaman-catapult), full undead army with moro dark 2 undead sets and 3rd lvl evlin. Why there isn`t some interesting full elf build, or some skill to boost mele fighters like quick draw in might skill tree.

[infernal1800]

Originally Posted by Fatt_Shade

Hm undead AREN`T overpowered ???
Lets check this out :
skeleton archer best leadership/dmg ratio in game, and i think they are strongest 1st lvl unit,
ghost/cursed ghost/ghost pirates completly sick for enemy phisical dmg dealers, no need to buy them they grow by themselves,
vampires/ancient vampires no retaliation, life drain, no CRIT hit (sick unit)
black knights with shard of darkness most OP unit in game,
necromancers, great for +1 morale undead, and aoe attack for lots of rage, good suport unit,
bone dragons aoe poison attack, against all living/demon/dragon units great dmg, cause low resistances.
All undead have pretty low leadership per unit. I know only way to keep no loss is evlin, but it`s requierd for ranged units vampires/ghosts keep their own numbers with life drain skills, but on other hand evlin have highest resurrecting % in game.
As you mentioned human units are great picks, but i stoped using them because they bored me like you. Paladin is great suport with phantom spell, inquisitor also, rune mage is overpriced and his rail gun attack isnt that great because his low speed and attack, horseman is sick with warrior counterattack skill. But comparing human with undead i must say every undead have better leadership/dmg ratio then their human counterpart.
And human item sets are weaker then undead.
And if you look for overpowerd unit/combo try solo asmodean in red sands mod it`s so easy, it`s not even funny
i tryed many builds and hero combinations, and they all have up and down sides it only depends what you like in this game and there is so much to like.I only wish that they somehow balance all choices in game like all archer build is totaly sick (triger, paladin-archer-elf-hunter-5th unit by choice or moldok/rakush paladin-blood shaman-goblin-goblin shaman-catapult), full undead army with moro dark 2 undead sets and 3rd lvl evlin. Why there isn`t some interesting full elf build, or some skill to boost mele fighters like quick draw in might skill tree.

Yes, agree that why there isnt a full elf or dwarf build, those race are totalty weak compare to the others. I will try to tweak them up with a new level 5 Elf race in my mod. Redsand is a great mod (new places, new monsters, new spelsl, items) but I just dont like asmodean because it makes the game stupid can anybody give me a reason why our princess has 6 units and just 5 for the enemy? dont forget that this extra unit has godly power that capable of soloing? I will weaken it and change it into a normal monster in my mod

I have a question, anybody know how to add more reserve slots

[Fatt_Shade]

I agree elf and dwarf races are inferior to human undead, and so much harder to keep alive for no loss, (elf have only faun to resurrect and only plants-thx so much developers wtf am i suposed to do about my archers,unicorns and hordes of fairies in my army, dwarfs are even worse only droids can be kept alive).
Races in game arent balanced, but game have so much potential and with some good ideas, and spare time it all can be moded to interesting situations (my problem is stupid buged editor that crashes every time i try to eidt some item in it, so i ask other ppl to do it for me
As for more reserve slots, check this tread pcbun add it in his mode, so either PM him, or check his mod files and try to figure it out
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=14741 Good luck

[infernal1800]

Thanks for a quick reply but I cannot figure out how this guy come from chinese can add more reserve slots

I want to balance the higher level and lower level creature in my mod because ppl keep using higher level without consider lower level monster. I decided to make a drawback when buying higher level monster by raising the price of them up to 3 times. So that, the player has to consider carefully before decide to buy a level 5 unit What do you guys think about it? Any suggestion is appreciated

[Sir Whiskers]

Originally Posted by infernal1800

I want to balance the higher level and lower level creature in my mod because ppl keep using higher level without consider lower level monster. I decided to make a drawback when buying higher level monster by raising the price of them up to 3 times. So that, the player has to consider carefully before decide to buy a level 5 unit What do you guys think about it? Any suggestion is appreciated

There are several drawbacks to using low level units:
-Many abilities do not affect level 5 units, but do affect the others. Sheep, Hypnotize, taunting, fear (it has no real impact on L5 units), and so on.
-All stacks lose combat power as they take losses. Lower level units have fewer hit points, so such losses tend to be magnified. In addition, healing a level 5 unit is much cheaper than resurrecting lower level units.
-Replacing units after battle can be a royal pain. At the very least, you waste time going back for more. At worst, you run out of a particular unit and have to resort to expedients such as Sacrifice.

Simply changing the gold cost won't balance these drawbacks. The second point can be addressed by lowering the mana cost of the Resurrection spell, or granting units more powerful resurrection abilities. The last point can be addressed by an ability like the Paladin Resurrection skill.

I don't see any simple fix to the first problem, which is sometimes the most troublesome. As those abilities make units more interesting, I wouldn't favor making mass Magic Shackles cheap or some similar change that nerfs such abilities.

I've tried to go through a game with lower level units, but at some point, I always end up in a fight where the troops simply are too vulnerable to enemy abilities and/or spells. Perhaps I could get through such fights, but I'm not inclined to reload over and over while trying. I'd love to see you come up with a fix for this, I'm just not sure what it it.

[DeepSoul]

Originally Posted by Fatt_Shade

I agree elf and dwarf races are inferior to human undead, and so much harder to keep alive for no loss, (elf have only faun to resurrect and only plants-thx so much developers wtf am i suposed to do about my archers,unicorns and hordes of fairies in my army, dwarfs are even worse only droids can be kept alive).
Races in game arent balanced, but game have so much potential and with some good ideas, and spare time it all can be moded to interesting situations (my problem is stupid buged editor that crashes every time i try to eidt some item in it, so i ask other ppl to do it for me
As for more reserve slots, check this tread pcbun add it in his mode, so either PM him, or check his mod files and try to figure it out
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=14741 Good luck

It's true that elves and dwarves are a bit weaker but elves can get some nice morale boosts with Fairies, Dryads, Druids, Ents and Unicorns. Ancient Ents have 1400 hp, so you shouldn't need to resurrect them often if you use some protection spell like stoneskin/glot's armor. If you combine Dryads with Royal Thorns and Crown of Blackthorn you will do sick damage with your thorns. On top of that it doesn't matter if the thorns will die. Imagine having lvl 5 Trigger with those. CoB is just too OP so I stopped using it because it was boring. When it comes to resurrection, I think druids should be able to resurrect at least elven units, because they are probably the weakest unit in the game compared to their LS cost. There is no really good all-elven combo but they aren't bad when combined with other troops, like pallys or inquisitors.

Dwarves actually have a good set. It's Set of the young techno-alchemist which boosts your Engineers, Alchemists and Droids. The idea is to let the droids take the damage while your Engineers and Alchemists do the damage. Throw in a Giant for some extra toughness. I haven't tried it myself but it doesn't sound that bad?

Demons can resurrect with eviln? I tried it with my Demoness and they took damage from it. The only ways I found out to resurrect them was with Demonologists or Runemages.

[Fatt_Shade]

Ok all elven build is great for high moral (with princess set faries have +5 morale, wtf am i suposed to do with it, 3 is more then enough), but that`s it. No elven unit have mass attack, like giants, dragons, necromancers etc. That`s why i said elves are great in huge numbers and with warrior hero, and some +1(poison, fire) dmg item would be nice to have. As for druid resurection, it sound normal to at least ressurect animals: bears, unicorns and such. It stay`s that full elf army is weak considering full human/undead/orc or even dwarf, not to mention all dragon army.
Dwarfes do have nice setup, but their morale is problem, add any other human/neutral unit and no bonus, droids by default have neutral moral all time. They have some interesting builds but all droid is boring, add mechanics,alchemist and giants it`s more interesting but still low dmg output comparing to other races canonner is joke of unit for all ecsept towers, miner/foreman are useless without eachother and even if you have both of those units in army they die easy and no resurrection for them after Dwarf fighter is also useless. Set of young alchemist is nice but hard to complet and your plan to dmg with alchemist/mechanic wont work great because their low speed, in new red sands mod there is new dwarf set Mountain king that is great but also hard to find complet
Demon can resurrect with evlin ??? Who said that i love dmeons/executioners for their retaliations and dmeon rage, it`s just funny to teleport/infernal excange them in enemy army and just watch carnage . Bad thing is only couple of buff spells available to them No divine shield, bless, hell breath etc, and resurrection as way to keep them alive is so weak, rune mages are better choice even demonologist are bad because you need alive no magic imune enemy to cast. Demon set is also great, but even with it 360 leadership for executioner is to much. Just comparing 98 LS black knight on whom you cast hell breath, and 288 LS executioner with almost no available buff spells blackie win every time Just not fair.