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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 07-27-2011, 04:36 PM
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Spot on. And now go the extra step and think this through a bit further. As the Sim business is such a niche genre without huge amounts of money to be made, you won't get those Pros and extra careful managing into this niche.

Actually, be careful what you wish for in the first place, because if we get professional business into this genre comparable to Call of Duty and the likes, expect to pay 20 bucks each time a new map is released, another 10 bucks for an aircraft DLC. Brave new world.
Trust me, you will always find pros ready for a challenge. Again, you might have to outsource outside of Russia, but it's worth the investment. As much as you have cloud programming you can have cloud managing, and believe me, it works.

As for sims being a niche market: if you observed carefully the evolution of IL-2, you might have noticed that there was an (unnecessary?) development towards jets. Il-2 1946 became actually a huge testing bed for the flight model envelope and limitations (The Lerche was a bed for the helicopters potential), to see whether the behaviour of jets would work. As you know, modders made a fantastic F-86 Sabre and now even introduced Sidewinders.

There has been a time, in the development of CoD, when Oleg thought that if having the right investors, his new flight model could have been used for a successor to the Microsoft Flight Simulator series.

Something didn't happen, and the thing deflated back to its original project, but it's obvious that the potential is still there. Hitting the Flight Simulator core would surely be no niche product..
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Old 07-27-2011, 04:44 PM
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this one is more suitable for what you've created....

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Old 07-27-2011, 05:05 PM
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Trust me, you will always find pros ready for a challenge. Again, you might have to outsource outside of Russia, but it's worth the investment. As much as you have cloud programming you can have cloud managing, and believe me, it works.

As for sims being a niche market: if you observed carefully the evolution of IL-2, you might have noticed that there was an (unnecessary?) development towards jets. Il-2 1946 became actually a huge testing bed for the flight model envelope and limitations (The Lerche was a bed for the helicopters potential), to see whether the behaviour of jets would work. As you know, modders made a fantastic F-86 Sabre and now even introduced Sidewinders.

There has been a time, in the development of CoD, when Oleg thought that if having the right investors, his new flight model could have been used for a successor to the Microsoft Flight Simulator series.

Something didn't happen, and the thing deflated back to its original project, but it's obvious that the potential is still there. Hitting the Flight Simulator core would surely be no niche product..
Maybe, but wishful thinking never solved any present problems.
Evidently, If pros would go into niche markets to look for a challenge, then they'd already be there.

The rest it half true, but hardly relevant for the debate at hand.
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Old 07-27-2011, 05:10 PM
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Bewolf, check your PM.
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This thread should be re-named the Lufbery Circle...
Only trouble is, everyone set 'unlimited ammo' and 'indestructible' to 'on'...
It really is a shame that cod is such a rough diamond for now... I just think a little more optimism, instead of pessimism, would help the blood pressure levels in here
I certainly understand how frustrated all you Experten guys feel, but as an expert in how to crash, I can still say this sim has a pretty amazing 'wow' factor every time I start her up! Am I a bad person?
It can only get better from here on out, don't you agree?

Gone on, it won't hurt too much... life's too short as it is!

Luthier... Please help us... Coz group hugs ain't my style!

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Old 07-27-2011, 07:53 PM
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This thread should be re-named the Lufbery Circle...
Only trouble is, everyone set 'unlimited ammo' and 'indestructible' to 'on'...
It really is a shame that cod is such a rough diamond for now... I just think a little more optimism, instead of pessimism, would help the blood pressure levels in here
I certainly understand how frustrated all you Experten guys feel, but as an expert in how to crash, I can still say this sim has a pretty amazing 'wow' factor every time I start her up! Am I a bad person?
It can only get better from here on out, don't you agree?

Gone on, it won't hurt too much... life's too short as it is!

Luthier... Please help us... Coz group hugs ain't my style!

roftl now this is post of the year material
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This thread should be re-named the Lufbery Circle...
Only trouble is, everyone set 'unlimited ammo' and 'indestructible' to 'on'...
It really is a shame that cod is such a rough diamond for now... I just think a little more optimism, instead of pessimism, would help the blood pressure levels in here
I certainly understand how frustrated all you Experten guys feel, but as an expert in how to crash, I can still say this sim has a pretty amazing 'wow' factor every time I start her up! Am I a bad person?
It can only get better from here on out, don't you agree?

Gone on, it won't hurt too much... life's too short as it is!

Luthier... Please help us... Coz group hugs ain't my style!

LMAO

Agreed post of the year
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and with my last post i'm senior member yahoo! although i kinda don't know if that changes anything

indeed it's post of the year material from retrojet
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Old 07-27-2011, 11:16 PM
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this outstanding update by Luthier and the professionalism with which it was presented has convinced me to buy this game.

Game ordered
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Old 07-28-2011, 01:19 AM
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and with my last post i'm senior member yahoo! although i kinda don't know if that changes anything

indeed it's post of the year material from retrojet


Shucks! You guys taught me everything I know!
It's just that I can tell exhaustion is setting in, and everyone deserves a beer or 3!

Time to shake hands, and agree to disagree...
All for one, and one for the next patch! It's nearly Friday

It's just not worth beating each other up, when we're really all on the same team... Flight sim freaks to the end!
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