All I needed to hear....

[JG52Krupi]

This is comedy gold.

To sum up the last two weeks of this forum.

Whiners "Luthier post something, Luthier post something, Luthier post something and yet again Luthier post something!!!"

Luthier posts a message...

Whiners "I don't believe what you posted...."

Poor luthier he just can't win can he...

Please could you guys stop moaning your giving me a migraine... Bloody pathetic... This forum makes the gametrailers ps3/xbox fanboy arguments look mature and well reasoned

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

This is comedy gold.

To sum up the last two weeks of this forum.

Whiners "Luthier post something, Luthier post something, Luthier post something and yet again Luthier post something!!!"

Luthier posts a message...

Whiners "I don't believe what you posted...."

Poor luthier he just can't win can he...

Please could you guys stop moaning your giving me a migraine... Bloody pathetic... This forum makes the gametrailers ps3/xbox fanboy arguments look mature and well reasoned

Very shallow post mate...

So your saying that what people are mainly upset about in here which is indeed communication..i.e updates has been answered by that post to the US market from Luthier...

You were not saying that were you..?

[furbs]

Seriously i think he is.

[Norseman]

Thank You SYN Bliss !
Totally agree on Your "headline" !

-got hours of GREAT fun online (Syndicate) already
-the "problems" I had so far only make my "learning curve"
climb like a cheater..lol
The game worth every penny for me so far.

Bought IL2 back in 2002. Oh man, I had a looong way to go back then..
My patience really paid of then, and I believe it will now as well.

THX for Your great effort with the server!

-nb : this is no meal for trolls..pls

~S~

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

Very shallow post mate...

So your saying that what people are mainly upset about in here which is indeed communication..i.e updates has been answered by that post to the US market from Luthier...

You were not saying that were you..?

Shallow post not really... What is shallow is demanding he post every week about what he is doing when we already know what they are doing...

Why bother posting anything when all it does is appease ppl for less than an hour before the moaning starts again.

I have faith in luthier I have high expectations in the product and from what I have seen I trust the guys working away making this game better and better... Sure I was and an disappointed at what we got but you must be blind not to see the amount of effort the guys have put into this game.

They just bit off more than they could chew trying to hive us a fantastic product and what do we do? Do we praise there effort no we grab the pitch forks and go on a hunt.... Such a shameful display.

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Shallow post not really... What is shallow is demanding he post every week about what he is doing when we already know what they are doing...

Why bother posting anything when all it does is appease ppl for less than an hour before the moaning starts again.

I have faith in luthier I have high expectations in the product and from what I have seen I trust the guys working away making this game better and better... Sure I was and an disappointed at what we got but you must be blind not to see the amount of effort the guys have put into this game.

They just bit off more than they could chew trying to hive us a fantastic product and what do we do? Do we praise there effort no we grab the pitch forks and go on a hunt.... Such a shameful display.

Why? Well, just because his customers WANT to... OMFG... this is just such straight evidence why everything in this "western" civilization goes straight to the toilet... Why? Why? Why? Just give/impose people what they don't want - and ignore them when they start to ask for something else and keep going as much as it is possible - this is the path to the prosperity (of companies, countries, societies, civilizations)...

Why bother with customers at all? Why the heck they are developing it btw? Just to have a work for next 10 years! Ha, now I got it... Shame they are not in European Union, they would ask for some kind of grant or subvention (to keep 25 people employed doing what nobody wants...)....

Just LOL... Sometimes it is just shocking what I can read here...

[JG52Krupi]

Wow optiz, shouldn't you be licking windows right now your clearly insane...

Yes I agree the western world is messed up and large companies get away with murder.... But this IS NOT a large company it's a small company producing a highly detailed and complex game for a TINY community.

I know that this game will be fixed 10 years of flying il2 have given me faith in the product... That enough for me.

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Wow optiz, shouldn't you be licking windows right now your clearly insane...

Yes I agree the western world is messed up and large companies get away with murder.... But this IS NOT a large company it's a small company producing a highly detailed and complex game for a TINY community.

I know that this game will be fixed 10 years of flying il2 have given me faith in the product... That enough for me.

I am not talking about MG in this particular post, I referred to your post - your question "why", because it's always customers (of companies or state(as citizens)) whose make a difference and put the products and services to the next and better level. So yes, I am saying this - people like you are responsible for such "quality" of "BOB", because you are just ignoring the facts and you are happy with it.. More, you are defending it together with unacceptable marketing behaviors.

Btw. size of company doesnt matter. It is about business model, if I can even call it like that in this case, - it is about the way of marketing. How you value your customers... What we see here is is called "transactional marketing", but it just doesn't fit to the type of customers MG have. That's the most funny part of it. That nobody in MG is educated or experiences enough to see it and make changes in their marketing strategy to cope with it. What a shocking difference is ROF team's strategy!

I know how difficult is to repair or change something with same people who screwed it up. It is just not possible. You must have new people. I am still convinced that Luthier should be fired long time ago and new experienced manager should be working here on damage control and customer satisfaction... But probably, the real owners of MG, doesn't care, because this is not making a living for them. Maybe it's just a hobby to them, or some kind of charity because of love of flight sim, but it backfires as the falling price and minimal sales are not making such important feedback to them.

But look, I will not give here some lecture how to run the a specific company on very specific market segment and how to talk with your loyal, longterm customers...
I really loved IL2 series, my life is different now, I have family, kids, weekend in counryside, many other hobbies and friends... Why to waste my precious free time with such pain like flying in CLOD? But I still feel the love to the flight sim, to the flying and I feel this voice has to be heard too - not this way anymore, you are killing the whole WW2 flight sim world...

[JG52Krupi]

You clearly have not being in flight sims much as you are quite naive, games like this one have a small team and little in the way of resources as no one want to fund a genre that requires a huge amount of work for rather little gain... The problems your are on about cannot be applied to this game and plenty of people are still refusing to buy rof due to it's marketing method... Another sim which was in a similar state to this one on release.... But, like so many before you, you decide to ignore that fact!!!

I'm not defending the marketing of the sim genre I am just able to realise that games like this are undermanned and underfunded when compared to games that sell well with a vast amount of finding little in the way of complexity compared to a sim game and still have a silly amount of bugs.... So if a company like activison can sell the same game each year and with a silly amount of bugs why is anyone surprised that games like cod and rof have faltering starts.

[robtek]

Opitz, you are so full of yourself.

You didn't even research, no thats too much, you didn't even look how MG, 1c and UBI are connected.

It was already posted quite a few times.

MG is the developer, thats it, nothing more.

Devs don't do marketing!

1c is the publisher, the publisher does the financing and, here it comes, the marketing.
In the case of 1c only in the east.

In the rest of the world UBI is the publisher and accountable for the marketing.

We here have the unique situation that the devs are talking directly to us, they don't have to do this, there is no obligation, but they do it anyway.

So you are ranting against MG, which already does more than it has to do (fixing the sim) by giving us information that the publisher didn't give.

Next you say that Luthier, a person, i assume, you dont know personally, is incompetent.
Whow, i envy your insights in the workings of MG, you've worked there, or at least visited the company a few times.
Nah, i dont think so.

Furthermore you implement that somebody doesn't care if the faults are fixed, that talks a lot about your state of mind.

If one doesn't has to post something positive (pointing out bugs and errors is positive) and new, one shouldn't post at all.

Ooops! Reading my last sentence i shouldn't have posted this. Sorry, couldn't help it.