the quality of this forum...

[nearmiss]

Do any of you remember the Ray Ban Jockey on Ubizoo?

This guy drove us all nuts, yet everyone missed him when he split.

What makes community?

It's not about all the competent, intelligent well thought out responses is it?

It's about everyone being different, some smart mouths, some with slow wit, some with quick wit, some with no wits, etc.

This is really an excellent forums, because we have voices speaking up from all over the world. We may not all agree, but basically we do get along. I love it we can speak with other members from all over the world, and share things with some common interest.

Yes, I realize it's English language. I'm sure there are some that would prefer their native language, but there are always forums in native languages all over the web.

This is a international forums, where people from all over the world that do comprehend English can talk and share.

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Do any of you remember the Ray Ban Jockey on Ubizoo?

This guy drove us all nuts, yet everyone missed him when he split.

What makes community?

It's not about all the competent, intelligent well thought out responses is it?

It's about everyone being different, some smart mouths, some with slow wit, some with quick wit, some with not wits, etc.

This is really an excellent forums, because we have voices speaking up from all over the world. We may not all agree, but basically we do get along. I love it we can speak with other members from all over the world, and share things with some common interest.

Yes, I realize it's English language. I'm sure there are some that would prefer their native language, but there are always forums in native languages all over the web.

This is a international forums, where people from all over the world that do comprehend English can talk and share.

[addman]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Do any of you remember the Ray Ban Jockey on Ubizoo?

This guy drove us all nuts, yet everyone missed him when he split.

What makes community?

It's not about all the competent, intelligent well thought out responses is it?

It's about everyone being different, some smart mouths, some with slow wit, some with quick wit, some with not wits, etc.

This is really an excellent forums, because we have voices speaking up from all over the world. We may not all agree, but basically we do get along. I love it we can speak with other members from all over the world, and share things with some common interest.

Yes, I realize it's English language. I'm sure there are some that would prefer their native language, but there are always forums in native languages all over the web.

This is a international forums, where people from all over the world that do comprehend English can talk and share.

This is a good post.

[roadczar]

The beatings will continue until morale improves!

[Rattlehead]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

This is really an excellent forums, because we have voices speaking up from all over the world. We may not all agree, but basically we do get along. I love it we can speak with other members from all over the world, and share things with some common interest.

This is so true. As a kid or young teen, I always wished I could meet other people who liked the same games I did, or just speak to people about common interests, whatever they were. Yes I had friends, but I mean a big community.
The 'net has given us all a voice (not always a good thing!) and it's great that we can all discuss things without having to mail a letter and wait ages for a reply.
If I could change one small thing on this forum, it would be to have an off-topic forum (or at least a thread) on the main page. I know the 1c forums has an off-topic forum, but I've grown used to the members on this forum. No big deal I suppose, just saying.

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by Rattlehead

This is so true. As a kid or young teen, I always wished I could meet other people who liked the same games I did, or just speak to people about common interests, whatever they were. Yes I had friends, but I mean a big community.
The 'net has given us all a voice (not always a good thing!) and it's great that we can all discuss things without having to mail a letter and wait ages for a reply.
If I could change one small thing on this forum, it would be to have an off-topic forum (or at least a thread) on the main page. I know the 1c forums has an off-topic forum, but I've grown used to the members on this forum. No big deal I suppose, just saying.

A 'Banter' forum..

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Rattlehead

If I could change one small thing on this forum, it would be to have an off-topic forum (or at least a thread) on the main page. I know the 1c forums has an off-topic forum, but I've grown used to the members on this forum. No big deal I suppose, just saying.

+1.
I asked before, they stubbornly keep on pointing us to the generic off topic forum, they don't seem to understand that we want our own off topic forum.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

The quality of the forum reflects the game.

The quality of the forum reflects the average quality of the posters. There are problems in the game but when so many are so busy with the negative stuff that don't even dare to delve into whatever actually works as it should (and there is such a thing, if you haven't found out about it you're just not looking or don't care to find it), this "i want to be disappointed" attitude spills over into the forums, it's like a teenage suicide cult seeking new converts with all the "you're not having fun with the game, you're just too much of a fanboy to realize it" rhetoric, as if they know what each individual member of the community is looking for and prioritizes in a game

Personally, if i were to rank my pet peeves with the sim, the topics that get the most exposure (SLI/Crossfire, FSAA, sound engine) would be on the "almost don't give a you know what" part of the scale, while things like inconsistent controls and missing/not working aircraft systems would be ranking at first place, but you won't see me calling people idiots for having a fit over a non-antialiased radio aerial. People have different priorities and there's a vocal minority here that has a great deal of difficulty accepting this. Too bad for them i guess, because it's obvious that they don't represent everyone and on top of that, the more aggressively they try to push their agenda the more some level headed guys will become aggressive in return and campaign for their own set of preferred fixes to take precedence.

Remember when some of us were advocating optional clickable cockpits during development, so that we don't have to map and remember a gazillion different functions for all the new aircraft systems? A big part of the community was convinced, the developers were convinced, even some people posted here and thanked us for advocating something that at the point seemed pointless to them.

My point being, i can argue for a certain feature with the necessary consistency and do it without insulting people, so that i end up getting "converts to the cause" but i haven't been busting everyone's fuzzy dice on every single thread left and right to get them to fix my preferred issues ahead of everything else.

Seeing the tactics prevailing in the forum, maybe i was wrong. Maybe i should take up a forum campaign to have all the system modeling issues in every single flyable fixed before SLI and FSAA optimizations, just to get on some people's nerves and give them a taste of their own medicine.

I bet it will be infinitely easier to do for the developers as well, since most of the times it's simply some mismatched switches or a missing function in one aircraft that can be directly copied over from another one. I bet it's so much easier to do than fix FSAA and optimize texture loading and it carries enough weight in the gameplay side of things, that we might stand a very good chance of convincing the developers they should focus on that. The only thing that's stopping me is that it's summer time and i can't be bothered spending the weekends in front of the PC, but if the usual suspects keep repeating their rants and the game isn't fixed by mid-August i might just take up the crusade just to grind their gears and show them for once what it's like for the rest of us to be on the receiving end of their barrage

Sure, there are problems in the game and there's a couple dozen things i'd personally like to see changed or improved, but let's call a spade a spade here: some people have drummed up a whole lot of disruptive commotion, driven away whatever positive minded, contributing members, therefore putting a stop to whatever 3rd party/community improvements and involvement existed in spite of all the problems, and now they claim it's not because of their attitudes but something else.

I generally try to be smooth around the edges but maybe it detracts from getting the message across, so i think it's time to hammer the point home for once. If some people feel neglected by the developers they should at least not drive away whatever community members are working to improve THEIR gameplay experience. In other words, the best piece of advice i could offer to the nameless "whiner" of this forum is:

"If you can't present your complaints in a useful, non-aggravating way then either shut up for a while as the rest of the community tries to fix the game for you, or get stuck with a forever broken game and be forced to shut up once and for all because there'll be nothing to complain about in the long run. Your choice."


In other words,

Originally Posted by White Owl

Irrationally hating IL-2: Dover has become a religion for some. To a lesser extent, irrationally loving the game is also a religion for a few here. (Everybody has at least one religion, whether they realize it or not.) When you're trying to have a conversation with somebody who zealously practices a religion opposed to your own point of view, the big problem is the zealot is incapable of stepping back and reconsidering his own point of view. He genuinely believes he is being perfectly reasonable in aggressive proselytizing, and it's for your own good. The only solution is to not engage the zealots and look around for somebody more open minded to talk to. They can be harder to find, but they're out there.

Also, there's a subtle difference between a troll and an attention... word-that-means-prostitute. Learn to differentiate, and resist the impulse to give either of them what they crave. Getting angry at them serves no useful purpose. Ignore and move on.

a big +1 to the preceding quote.

[furbs]

Blackdog, i like you.

But you do know that Luthier hasnt logged in here, or at the Russian forum since the 1st of July right?

The guy isn't listening to us at all.

Whats the point of posting a bug thread if the guys not reading it.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by furbs

Blackdog, i like you.

But you do know that Luthier hasnt logged in here, or at the Russian forum since the 1st of July right?

The guy isn't listening to us at all.

Whats the point of posting a bug thread if the guys not reading it.

I don't blame him. This forum has become a steaming pile.