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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 07-12-2011, 01:46 PM
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where's all the cool stuff that has always been in IL2 that not in this game, like blowing wings off and the airframe ripping apart. I have seen 1 wing get blown off in over 70 hours worth of play and i havent seen anthing disintergrate like in IL2 46, those were features that i felt were great!
Dont get me wrong i love the dmage models we have now but it feels like the weapons cant do nearly enough damage to see the extent of the damage experience.
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Old 07-12-2011, 02:12 PM
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where's all the cool stuff that has always been in IL2 that not in this game, like blowing wings off and the airframe ripping apart. I have seen 1 wing get blown off in over 70 hours worth of play and i havent seen anthing disintergrate like in IL2 46, those were features that i felt were great!
Dont get me wrong i love the dmage models we have now but it feels like the weapons cant do nearly enough damage to see the extent of the damage experience.
I think that given we mostly have small caliber MGs and 20mm without mine load it is about right. Once the 20mm is fixed and the first Fw190 makes an appearance things will start to be torn apart with no problem.
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Old 07-12-2011, 02:24 PM
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I think that given we mostly have small caliber MGs and 20mm without mine load it is about right. Once the 20mm is fixed and the first Fw190 makes an appearance things will start to be torn apart with no problem.
Yup. Essentially our 20mm's are slugs/armour piercing with the possibility to detonate the second the tip of the shell hits the aircraft skin.

What this does is create a loud bang that sends miniature debris and a small shockwave towards the surface, perhaps shredding it a tiny bit and denting it.

Once we get the proper mineshells which I believe were designed to explode a little after impact (inside the fuselage) this should severely improve damage dealt to aircraft structure. Once the 110's get their proper MGFF/M's and the 109E4 with MGFF/M's make their appearance the brits will be suffering wingloss syndrome all the time.
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Old 07-12-2011, 04:56 PM
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Not to say a little verbose. - Sorry mate, you know I respect your views.

What we're talking about here is a piece of computer software. If you'd paid Norton or McAfee some money for a piece of software, you'd expect it to work out of the box, without any input from any kind of 'community', yes?

Imagine describing 'bugs' to the Adobe company. Are there 'bugs' in photoshop? I don't know. But I'm a consumer, not an unpaid worker for a software development company, and if I was as positive in my approach to the problems with 'Cliffs' as various members evidently are; sorry but I'd expect to be paid for my services.

The work being done by the community in researching online bugs, offline bugs, and designing and building the kind of campaigns I expected when I purchased what was purported to be a 'Battle of Britain' simulation is exemplary, and indicative of the dedication of the community's enthusiasts.

I wish I could be one of those people but unfortunately real life takes up most of my time.

When I want to escape from real life, I'd like to be able to turn to the same software company I've relied on for the last ten years of good times, especially as they promised to produce 'Storm of War - The Battle of Britain', a subject very dear to my heart.

I'm still waiting patiently for this to happen.
That's all perfectly fine and valid and i'm not going to pass judgment on what is actually a very reasonable viewpoint of yours. I happen to have a bit more free time currently but i know i wouldn't be so active in the forums if real life issues were more pressing, so i perfectly understand what you mean.

It's when some of us with a bit more free time try to make what you describe happen for the rest and the "usual suspect squad" crawls out of the woodwork and saps all our enthusiasm and incentive with their negativity that grinds my gears because like you said, i'm essentially an unpaid volunteer here and they go crapping all over my efforts to improve THEIR enjoyment of the game. That's why i've said a few times recently that some are not worth the time others spend to improve the sim and i'm firmly standing by it.

As you can see, i'm making no mention of how the game happened to be shipped in such a state or whose fault it is or even whether it's an allowable business practice. All that matters to me is getting things fixed, i happen to have some free time so i roll up my sleeves and get into it. I don't care whose fault it is at this point, i just want to expedite the process with what little bit of personal testing results i can supply to the developer team.

Spending my free time for the benefit of others (giving tips left and right when i could just as easily keep what i know to myself and fly more, since the sim works fine for me) only to have some of the same people i'm trying to help drag the whole effort through the mud and derail every single thread, i guess you can understand it feels like getting spat on the face after giving your seat to another person in the bus.

Long story short, if we don't spend time on the things other can't deal with and rush off to fly other sims while telling us to quit trying, it's them first and foremost that won't get their wishes granted in terms of what CoD should be. They are biting the community hand that feeds them because they feel slighted by the developers and are acting out of spite, plain and simple: "if i can't have fun nobody should", but they don't realize that in order for their fun to materialize someone else must find the sim interesting enough to tinker with before he can give them player created content or compile the list of bugs the developers need to fix, it's a very shortsighted attitude that completely defies the fact that their enjoyment depends on having other people do the work they are not prepared to do themselves.

I'm not talking about you specifically, we might disagree on many things but you actually take the time to word your posts in a proper, non-offensive manner. It's the one-liner brigade of "mix a valid complaint with a bit of whine and a touch of thinly veiled snide remarks and insults" i'm referring to

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