Red Sands Mod/Add-On Discussion - potential SPOILERS

[ckdamascus]

I wish I saw that list earlier haha.

Being able to attack more than once is a good way to build up extra experience points too.

Also, being able to attack again when hit helps.

The healing thing seems pretty good though since Asmodeus seems to draw a fair amount of aggro.

I should have picked it up, but I did not.

I heard rumors of guys nearly soloing everything with Asmodeus... I wonder what kind of build orders they used.

As an aside, the Rune Mage's Revive spell can heal Asmodeus before he dies.

Ugh, mystic ritual can kill living beings and use it to revive undead beings or yourself. That's no good for a no-loss build. Blah. I'm still starting over again since I didn't let Asmodeus upgrade up enough.

Yuck.

[Fatt_Shade]

Yea healing Asmodean is great since only other way to keep him alive is rune mages, and on early game you dont have enough leadership for them. Aditional action points is also great skill on hit/attack. Soloing Asmodean is only possible with undead i think because mystic ritual can heal them and not living units (i think Asmodean cant heal him self either with it). There is some skill that boost that ability but gives more charges, not healing self/live units.
Reading new unit abilities i got fealing that developers wanted to strenghten undead units with new fraction undead lizardmen : Asmodean can resurrect them, medium/adept of darkness/evil genius all have some ability to make evlins after killing enemy troops.

[sdshadow]

I self try a Asmadeo solo (Asmodean? Asmodeus? in my game he hears not if i yell him so )
The only big problem is that if you had no unit at the start of the battle you loss befor you can summon him.
But i have a undead Skeleton on my side to start the battle and to lvlup Asmadeo with the heal undead spell.

If the undead is dead befor i can use the spell no problem, but Asmadeo is really a aggro machine, the single Skeleton is not often a target for the computer (but priests and all other good undead killer target the Skeleton in no time)

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by Fatt_Shade

Yea healing Asmodean is great since only other way to keep him alive is rune mages, and on early game you dont have enough leadership for them. Aditional action points is also great skill on hit/attack. Soloing Asmodean is only possible with undead i think because mystic ritual can heal them and not living units (i think Asmodean cant heal him self either with it). There is some skill that boost that ability but gives more charges, not healing self/live units.
Reading new unit abilities i got fealing that developers wanted to strenghten undead units with new fraction undead lizardmen : Asmodean can resurrect them, medium/adept of darkness/evil genius all have some ability to make evlins after killing enemy troops.

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I guess we are at the mercy of the auto-translation, but it sounds like later on he can use it to "treat himself", or heal himself.

I don't believe it can heal living units (after re-reading it). What it can do is... HURT your own living units to heal undead units. So, keeping that Paladin stack around so he can feed the undead.... ok this sounds a little diabolical. But hey, he can always resurrect himself or turn back time?

I'm not completely sure if it is worth it though. I guess it helps people who do not want to use rune mages.

[Fatt_Shade]

Ok i figured it out, it`s not bad idea if going undead army, but without some undead units that abiliti is useless, and cant lvl it at all. And it`s buged i think, can rase all undead except new undead beholder Medium. Why is that ? How to change that options, i can`t find.

[sdshadow]

Asmadeo is a pure killing machine, on my solo he is level 52 now, has 3744hp, 107 points defence, 87 % resist to melee, 80% to magic and 55% to Fire and poison....he had no mercy with a stack of 20 Black Dragons, only massive Level 3 or Level 4 stacks hurt him so much that it is dangerous. Level 5 units are a piece of cake.

I will never play with him and a full army, he alone is so powerful that it seems to make no fun if you have him and 5 other units.

It is correct, he can heal himself with 3 points in Necromancer.

And the Skill with the ability to heal living units transfers only HP von one friendly living unit to a other friendly unit. But i have only one point in it, if the skill can damage enemys and heal your units later it should be good, but on my solo it is not a priority because i had no other units

[sdshadow]

I forgot something, you can free him after a while (i cannot say exactly when, because i found the option for that around level 42 of him, but it can be that this option was there before.

If you free him you have to pay 2000 leadership, 20 Rage and 20 Mana, but you don´t need to equip the item in the left hand after this to summon him. You can store the item in the backpack. This is costly, but if you play with a full army there is a point in which the 15% less to leadership and mana is greater than the payment to free him.

[Fatt_Shade]

For mage that price shouldnt be problem, because he need mana and leadership means little to pure spell dmg hero. Also late game warrior with over 30k leadership can afford it, and 20 rage also dont mean much to him with bloodlust skill, and anyway warrior spells are mainly benefitial/support and 20 mana not much.
@sdshadow can you explain your solo Asmodean build, you must have at least 1 undead unit. From start is hard for asmodean when he doesnt have enough hp/dmg . . .

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by sdshadow

Asmadeo is a pure killing machine, on my solo he is level 52 now, has 3744hp, 107 points defence, 87 % resist to melee, 80% to magic and 55% to Fire and poison....he had no mercy with a stack of 20 Black Dragons, only massive Level 3 or Level 4 stacks hurt him so much that it is dangerous. Level 5 units are a piece of cake.

I will never play with him and a full army, he alone is so powerful that it seems to make no fun if you have him and 5 other units.

It is correct, he can heal himself with 3 points in Necromancer.

And the Skill with the ability to heal living units transfers only HP von one friendly living unit to a other friendly unit. But i have only one point in it, if the skill can damage enemys and heal your units later it should be good, but on my solo it is not a priority because i had no other units

Great to hear! I heard others on the russian forums had great success as well. However, what class are you? I am a mage, and I find Asmodeus is a bit weak early on. I'm also not sure how I can get him to scale up since I would rather not risk putting him in danger by using the lightning / teleport skill.

How do you support him if he is solo? Maybe, Necro Call and the healing thing?

Do you try to use him to attack and "barely" keep him alive to beef up his defense rating? Or do you keep him far away and slowly rack up the attack and disintegration ray skills?

Also, are you playing on Impossible?

[sdshadow]

I play on impossible.

I don´t use any spells or any pet dragon skills, it is a truely solo, only Asmadeo.
The only problem is that you really need a few Walls from the pet dragon early when you don´t have any healskills. But if you have the heal at beginning on the round and the Vampireskill to regain health in melee combat you don´t need anyting later.

If you have luck and the more HP, Vampireskill and heal/round is early on the list to choose it should be 5-6 levels of Asmadeo to stopp walls from the pet dragon.

At the time now i have enough power and initiative that i teleport at the beginning of the first round near to the enemy and since i have 3 counters i barely have any health lost till round 2, only the enemy are half down

If there are really strong stacks i tease them a little (Speed 3 and the skill to avoid an attack are really nice).

I would tell that the skill to avoid an attack is to choose later on, because you teleport to an nearby random field after a avoid, if you are not strong it could be your death in no time.

More healing/round, more HP and more Vampirism should be the main picks at the early levels.
Damage reduction in melee is the next choice and later on the fire, poisen protection is a must have, but only if you would kill dragons. Dragons are later at the game and you should pick this skill also later. Then avoid attack and a new attack if you gain damage and if you made damage. I have maxed them all and i have if i are lucky 3 or 4 attacks in one round.

I have only one skeleton each round because the fight don´t start. In the beginning it is good to keep it alive to level the undead heal spell a little, but it go slowly because you can get all other skills in no time to level 20 and the heal undead is on level 2 or 3.

The skeleton dies also quickly. It is no need to level up with the healspell, later on when you have the Necromancer at level 3 you can heal yourself and level faster, but i have the skill now on level 7 and all other skills are beyound 40....you can skip this skill really, it is to slow to levelup.

Example, i get with a critical melee attack 2.000 EXP, a heal from the healing spell with 350 HP get me 30 EXP. I only use it if i need the heal, not for the levelup of this skill.

I choose the paladin, because i thought he has the only skill (avoid 50% damage at time) for Asmadeo, but in over 20 fights it don´t trigger once, it seems it don´t work mit Asmadeo. But i don´t really need it.

If there is no maxlevel of Asmadeo i should reach level 200 at the end of the game, or more.....if he makes more damage, he makes more EXP and he gets later on really much HP and Damage each level.

The only thing that i cheatet is that i give me with the editor a few items (e.g two 15% Damagereduction shoes, one because you can get it (if lucky) without cheating and the second because i cannot reach the medal for damagereduction because i don´t use spells) and a stack from 999 skeleton at the beginning of the game. But only to die, not to make damage or win the first rounds.

English is not my main language, if i wrote anything that is not understandably please ask