AMD Catalyst 11.5b hotfix

[ICDP]

Originally Posted by Doc_uk

Bit harsh, but he has a point,
Plus the fact of the matter is 1c Proberly are not even testing this game using ati graphic cards, thats why all Ati user are getting left till last for any kind of fixes

I honestly don't think that is the case, otherwise they would never have been able to get Crossfire working. I think the issue is that they just have so many other more serious bugs that things like the 3 blue horizon lines on AMD HD6XXX series cards, or the flickering shadows on all cards are not top of their fix list.

We have broken radio comms
Still some serious optimisation needed in certain areas
Major FM and CEM issues
Broken features such as proper loadouts.

All of these issues will take preference over minor graphical issues.

[Ze-Jamz]

I dont have these lines on SP or at least i didnt just now on 3 different SP missions but as soon as went to MP i had them..this was all just after a new driver install

Originally Posted by Ailantd

This is why I allways stay with nvidia. You can have a very low cost powerfull hardware, but with bad drivers... all is a mess.

ATI has such crappy drivers! There was a study done to see what the biggest causes of Windows Vista crashes was and 9.3% were due to ATI drivers. Heck, that's almost 1/3 as bad as Nvidia! Shame on you ATI!



Sources:
http://www.reghardware.com/2008/03/2...vista_drivers/
http://cybernetnews.com/nvidia-drive...vista-crashes/

You just keep telling us how things really are Ailantd. I know that you are not just repeating things you heard on message boards stated by idiots who still think it's 1999 and that ATI doesn't account for over half the graphics market.

[jg27_mc]

I agree with the comments regarding AMD (ATI) hardware. They sure have the best price/quality ratio, but they suck completely with 1C products. Even in FSX the green ones had far better performance. Never had any issues with other games though.

I remember when I bought my HD 5870... It was a freaking nightmare and long road before the Cat. driver team could make a driver that could handle 1946 in perfect mode (OpenGlide) without any problem/performance issues.

[Ailantd]

Originally Posted by ICDP

Such Bullshit! If you always stick with Nvidia how do you know the ATI or AMD drivers are XXXX? Based on one very poorly programmed sim that doesn't even make enough sales to register on either Nvidia's or AMDs radar?

I build and support systems with both types of cards (Nvidia and AMD) and I can assure you they both have their problems with drivers.

Sick and tired of morons telling us AMD suck because of bad drivers, then they go on to say they always buy Nvidia... how the f%$k would you know then!

I have installed some ATI cards time ago, so I know. Never again. Also I read a lot of game forums, and 80% times there are problem with drivers, here you have ATI.
I have also worked in 3D game engines development and the drivers problems or unsupported specifications where always with ATI.
It is a nonsense not to recognize that ATI drivers are worse than nvidia when talking about lastest graphic technologies.

I find it interesting how all these people with "industry experience" always have trouble with ATI cards. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones to have never had a problem with any of my cards in the past 15 years of PC gaming that required more than a quick web search to see what the issue was.

My previous video cards and the OS they were running on. . .

Windows 95/98
Some 3DFX card
S3 something card
Voodoo 2
Voodoo 3, 3000
Voodoo 5, 5500
Some Matrox card I only had for a week.

Windows ME
Radeon 7200

Windows XP
GeForce3 Ti 500
Radeon 8500
Radeon 9800 Pro
GeForce 6500

Windows Vista
Radeon x1400
Some Geforce 7 series card
Radeon 4800
Radeon 5770

Throughout the various upgrades, I've usually managed to make a profit off of all the trades or sales with the exception of 3 or 4 of them. I sold my last system which was a decent rig for about $400 more than it was actually worth, so right now I'm using a system that I built entirely from old systems I've found in the electronics recycle bin at the dump and waiting for CloD to be patched to a "working state" before I spend my cash on a gaming rig.

Out of all these systems, I've never had an issue that kept me from playing a game. The only occasional problem would usually involve a 2 minute google search for the issue, then a small fix recommended by someone with a similar problem. 9 time out of 10 this problem was an issue with Windows not having a specific update or dll. As for ATI issues, the only problem was when playing the Combat Mission series, and the text in-game had an opaque box around it. That was a 15 second fix. As for Nvidia issues, I think one was with the game Messiah (which was a bugfest) and the other was with one of the early 3D RTS games (Metal Fatigue I think). That was rectified by waiting a month for the next driver update.

As for CloD and ATI, I'd say the blame rests on Maddox Games as this is one of the buggiest games I have ever, EVER encountered.

[ICDP]

Originally Posted by Ailantd

I have installed some ATI cards time ago, so I know. Never again. Also I read a lot of game forums, and 80% times there are problem with drivers, here you have ATI.
I have also worked in 3D game engines development and the drivers problems or unsupported specifications where always with ATI.
It is a nonsense not to recognize that ATI drivers are worse than nvidia when talking about lastest graphic technologies.

So you haven't had an ATI card for some time and yet you are still an expert on them? I would love to know how that works. If you worked in the industry and had problems with ATI then you musn't have been that good, or very unlucky, sorry but facts are facts.

It is a nonsense to listen to so called games/graphics experts claim AMD/ATI drivers suck, especially when that person has admitted to not even owning or using an ATI/AMD card for years. I work with both types of cards, building and supporting PC for both work and gaming purposes. I have found no serious problems with ATI drivers, maybe some game issues but nothing drastic and certainly not unique to AMD/ATI hardware. Nvidia on the otherhand have had a couple of very seriously bad drivers released. I had to replace two graphics cards for friends due to the "amazing Nvidia drivers" after 196.75 cooked their GPUs. So much for being better than ATI right? I have never had an ATI or AMD driver that outright killed the graphics card.

Here are some links to how wonderful the Nvidia drivers can be.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/w...hics-card/7551

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=161503

http://www.geek.com/articles/games/n...o-die-2010035/

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/05/n...-graphics-car/

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3605

I suppose it is the fault of the users for installing these WHQL drivers, good ole Nvidia can do no wrong, right?

[Baron]

Originally Posted by speculum jockey

I find it interesting how all these people with "industry experience" always have trouble with ATI cards. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones to have never had a problem with any of my cards in the past 15 years of PC gaming that required more than a quick web search to see what the issue was.

My previous video cards and the OS they were running on. . .

Windows 95/98
Some 3DFX card
S3 something card
Voodoo 2
Voodoo 3, 3000
Voodoo 5, 5500
Some Matrox card I only had for a week.

Windows ME
Radeon 7200

Windows XP
GeForce3 Ti 500
Radeon 8500
Radeon 9800 Pro
GeForce 6500

Windows Vista
Radeon x1400
Some Geforce 7 series card
Radeon 4800
Radeon 5770

Throughout the various upgrades, I've usually managed to make a profit off of all the trades or sales with the exception of 3 or 4 of them. I sold my last system which was a decent rig for about $400 more than it was actually worth, so right now I'm using a system that I built entirely from old systems I've found in the electronics recycle bin at the dump and waiting for CloD to be patched to a "working state" before I spend my cash on a gaming rig.

Out of all these systems, I've never had an issue that kept me from playing a game. The only occasional problem would usually involve a 2 minute google search for the issue, then a small fix recommended by someone with a similar problem. 9 time out of 10 this problem was an issue with Windows not having a specific update or dll. As for ATI issues, the only problem was when playing the Combat Mission series, and the text in-game had an opaque box around it. That was a 15 second fix. As for Nvidia issues, I think one was with the game Messiah (which was a bugfest) and the other was with one of the early 3D RTS games (Metal Fatigue I think). That was rectified by waiting a month for the next driver update.

As for CloD and ATI, I'd say the blame rests on Maddox Games as this is one of the buggiest games I have ever, EVER encountered.

Well, u would be wrong, Luthier stated a long time ago that AMD just wasnt intrested in working with the team to optemize drivers for AMD cards. (unlike NVidia)

So e-mail AMD and put the blame where it belongs for once.

If i where Luthier and i wouldnt lose money on it i wouldnt even bother to get Amd cards working when they show little or no interest to help out and make CoD teams life a whole lot easier regarding at least that issue.

Originally Posted by Baron

Well, u would be wrong, Luthier stated a long time ago that AMD just wasnt intrested in working with the team to optemize drivers for AMD cards. (unlike NVidia)

So e-mail AMD and put the blame where it belongs for once.

If i where Luthier and i wouldnt lose money on it i wouldnt even bother to get Amd cards working when they show little or no interest to help out and make CoD teams life a whole lot easier regarding at least that issue.

Let's use a car analogy...

So every time someone makes an aftermarket car stereo, Honda/GM/Ford has to stop the assembly lines, and work with the little aftermarket company to change their car's dash design to accommodate that stereo?

The only time you will see a video card manufacturer work with a game developer is when there is some manner of AAA+ title that is going to account for more than 10+ of the gaming market. The Call of Duty and Battlefield series are good examples of this practice because they are a huge portion of the market and it makes sense to cater to them.

AMD/ATI accounts for over 1/2 the graphics market. They're the big dog and they got there not by working with every little blip of a gaming company, but by making excellent hardware and drivers that these companies are supposed to work with. If they did decide they wanted to work with Maddox Games, can you imagine that nightmare? Working with such a buggy game that pretty much changes 1/2 its code with every patch? I honestly think that ATI made the right decicion to ignore MG. Maddox Games can decide to not support ATI, that sounds like a good business decision and one I'm surprised they didn't make given the "great" judgement they have shown so far.

Ati: Ok, we we have decided to work with you to improve Radeon card performance and compatibility with Cliffs of Dover.

Maddox Games: Thanks, we really appreciate that.

Ati: So what's the problem?

Maddox Games: No full screen, FSAA doesn't work, you're leading edge card only gets about 15fps in our game and has blue lines on the horizon, we have issues with objects clipping, shadows flashing, LOD issues, Crossfire doesn't work. . .

Ati: See you later, call us when you have a working game.

The bugs are not ATI/Nvidia's fault. Both companies have tons of cards on the market that work perfectly with hundreds of different game engines (new and old). The fault lies squarely on Maddox Games and their code.

[ICDP]

Originally Posted by Baron

Well, u would be wrong, Luthier stated a long time ago that AMD just wasnt intrested in working with the team to optemize drivers for AMD cards. (unlike NVidia)

So e-mail AMD and put the blame where it belongs for once.

If i where Luthier and i wouldnt lose money on it i wouldnt even bother to get Amd cards working when they show little or no interest to help out and make CoD teams life a whole lot easier regarding at least that issue.

LOL, Cliffs of Dover works like crap on Nvidia or ATI cards. Flickering shadows, massive grey slabs of concrete on the sea, lack of proper full screen support, very very poor FPS and optimisation. It doesn't even have DX10 or DX11 features yet. Somehow we are to believe this is because ATI/AMD alegedly said they wouldn't help Maddox Games. If this is the case howcome the games still has so many graphical bugs on Nvidia hardware.

Bad coding, that's why. Oh and for the record, AMD/ATI have plenty of developer SDKs available, the DirectX coding quidelines are well published for any developer to access. So there is plenty of help out there for Maddox Games.