Where are the game elements in this sim?

[Rattlehead]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

I expected CoD to be a sort of "operating system/framework for simulation gaming" type of thing and that's exactly what it is, which is a big reason i maintain mostly positive attitudes about it (that is, it turned out to be what i expected it to be).

I feel much the same.
We have been given a pretty cool FMB that allows us to create missions that can be as in-depth as anything the devs can, provided one can code a bit. (And even if you can't, like myself, there is still a plethora of options available to create interesting missions.)
To me sims have always relied on user generated content for sustained enjoyment, and CoD imo is no different.

I do understand what Addman is saying and I agree things have been a bit neglected in that regard, but it's really up to the community to create that content.
Now, if we could have a proper campaign editor I would be over the moon.

[addman]

Originally Posted by Rattlehead

I do understand what Addman is saying and I agree things have been a bit neglected in that regard, but it's really up to the community to create that content.

Oo...that doesn't really agree with me. If that's the case then maybe they should've advertised that as a feature "New revolutionary game engine where you create everything yourself!" and maybe the sim should've been titled "operating system/framework for simulation gaming". According to some, this seems to be the case. For myself, I expected a somewhat complete sim/game, guess I was wrong and I guess that's too much to ask for after 6 years of waiting.

[Rattlehead]

Originally Posted by addman

Oo...that doesn't really agree with me. If that's the case then maybe they should've advertised that as a feature "New revolutionary game engine where you create everything yourself!" and maybe the sim should've been titled "operating system/framework for simulation gaming". According to some, this seems to be the case. For myself, I expected a somewhat complete sim/game, guess I was wrong and I guess that's too much to ask for after 6 years of waiting.

I suppose that's where I'm coming from; I have aways built my own missions rather than fly the ones provided. I never found them that interesting in all honesty.
Certainly, they were nothing I could not already do for myself, and I've had a blast creating missions for myself over the years.

I'm certainly not saying that there should be nothing provided by the developers...not saying that at all...but long-term I've always felt that it was user generated content in all it's forms which has kept me coming back to the game.

[TonyD]

Speaking of user generated content, go have a look at the link Dutch posted on page 1

[Rattlehead]

Originally Posted by TonyD

Speaking of user generated content, go have a look at the link Dutch posted on page 1

I've got two missions pretty much ready for public consumption, although I'll have to replay them a few times to make sure they're solid before I'll feel comfortable to release them online. They won't be historically accurate though, simply because my knowledge of the BoB is a bit lacking.

One thing is deciding how much stuff to add to a mission...too many objects and planes, or too many clouds will kill performance for some users.
Too few objects and immersion takes a plummet.
Maybe do a 'high' and 'low' version of each mission?

One problem I have is that I cannot script mission objectives...looks like some basic coding knowledge is needed.

[addman]

Originally Posted by Rattlehead

I suppose that's where I'm coming from; I have aways built my own missions rather than fly the ones provided. I never found them that interesting in all honesty.
Certainly, they were nothing I could not already do for myself, and I've had a blast creating missions for myself over the years.

I'm certainly not saying that there should be nothing provided by the developers...not saying that at all...but long-term I've always felt that it was user generated content in all it's forms which has kept me coming back to the game.

I'm glad that works for you but let me give you an example of my situation. I'd like to play a quite long Stuka campaign with medals and promotions right now problem is there is none so I have to wait for someone to make one because I don't have the time and I also don't want to know every little detail about the mission that I'm about to fly. As I said before though, maybe I had the wrong expectations on this game. I'm not shelving the game, I'm just not playing it at the moment, hopefully the almighty community will produce some cool stuff within a year or so and I can actually start playing the game instead of just tweaking it.