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[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by Oktoberfest

Hello Saqson,

well, I just want to share a bit about intellectual properties in 3D models as I have (had) the same problem at the moment.

Thanks, yes, I know this approach. This is what Ubi did with SH5. I was discussing this once with Ilya (I still have Yorktown model, built for PF and not included in the game because of NG, so I suggested to modify it in a similar way, as you proposed). But he just said, "better to keep away from them completely".

[Oktoberfest]

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

Thanks, yes, I know this approach. This is what Ubi did with SH5. I was discussing this once with Ilya (I still have Yorktown model, built for PF and not included in the game because of NG, so I suggested to modify it in a similar way, as you proposed). But he just said, "better to keep away from them completely".

Sad because it's just impossible to get sued for doing this. Just moving the superstructures a bit would do the trick.

For your info, on my aircraft, we changed the engine nacelle and put a cargo door...

[Asheshouse]

Originally Posted by Oktoberfest

Sad because it's just impossible to get sued for doing this. Just moving the superstructures a bit would do the trick.

For your info, on my aircraft, we changed the engine nacelle and put a cargo door...

Unfortunately I think what you mean to say is that it is impossible to be successfully sued. It is always possible for a corporation to commence legal proceedings, even if their case is weak. Then the party being sued is liable to incur significant costs simply to get the case dismissed. Grumman have deep pockets and huge resources.

[csThor]

Originally Posted by Asheshouse

Grumman have deep pockets and huge resources.

But, unfortunately and obviously, no common sense.

[batistadk]

My post will not be exclusively about mods, but it fits on the subject anyways, indulge me people.

Just a sad complain about NG Corp. attitude. I'm following this discussion, and already done it in many others, about this copyright problem with this Corporation. With this attitude, NG is excluding an important part of US WWII history, as planes and ships that gave the victory to their own country.

It's a shame they are doing this for so many time now, and we can't do anything to try to change this situation.

I think NG Corp. could think in a more patriotic way, or, at least, give the real valor to enterprises like this sim, that tries to mantain alive the memories of important and hard times that had already gone.

It's probably very sad for the americans, that got a scar in the middle of their own history, thanks to evil corporations and seemingly endless money interests.

About the deep pocket, I agree completely. NG Corp. could realize that IL-2 is not anymore a high-profitable product, and probably no one will get a huge amount of money with sales anymore, because CloD, for example, and because it's already a 10 years old software.

This is a huge comunity. Together, I think we can change this situation, or at least, make them listen us, in a LEGAL way. But it depends on a lot of factors, and I'm being too much romantic right now.

Anyway, I have hope that someday this issue will be solved, and we will fly NG aircrafts and sunk their ships with their own approval. It's possible because the size and the power of this community, that I'm proud of being part.

Again, I'm sorry about being a little off topic, people.

Cheers...

batistadk

[Asheshouse]

Batistadk, you are right. The only result of this is a loss of a small but significant part of US history.

So if you are from the US get out an old fashioned pen and paper and write to the Chief Executive of NG to complain. The worst that can happen is that you are ignored, but who knows, cutting out the lawyers and going straight to the top sometimes fixes things like this.

Ashe

[Oktoberfest]

Originally Posted by Asheshouse

Batistadk, you are right. The only result of this is a loss of a small but significant part of US history.

So if you are from the US get out an old fashioned pen and paper and write to the Chief Executive of NG to complain. The worst that can happen is that you are ignored, but who knows, cutting out the lawyers and going straight to the top sometimes fixes things like this.

Ashe

That's a great idea ! If he receives like a hundred mail about this, maybe this could get the things to move. I always wondered if the CEO knew about that history with IL2 and I suppose that if it's the case he might give orders to let go... But maybe I'm dreaming... However, did anybody try ??

[Asheshouse]

Since SaQSoN said he has a Yorktown Class model gathering dust I thought it would be worth trying to get a specific answer to this first. This is what I've sent.

Could you confirm to me that you do not claim trademark rights for the the following names:

"CV5"
"USS Yorktown"

Regards

If there is a negative response, or no response, then this can be used in any letter drafted to the CEO.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by csThor

But, unfortunately and obviously, no common sense.

And, it's maddening, because I don't think that NG has that great a legal case, either. Unless they've bribed the U.S. Congress into giving them some special legal rights, I think that they're just "copyright trolling."

I wish that some advocacy organization like the Electronic Frontier Foundation would go after them, but I don't think it's going to happen. I don't blame Ubi for backing off, and I don't blame 1C for being very cautious about risking liability issues, though.

It's just nuts that NG can claim IP rights over ships and aircraft designed during the 1940s or before. At the time, copyright law was different (only something like 20 years, renewable for another 20) and I don't think that many design firms actually copyrighted their designs. After all, they were designed and built, fully or partially in cooperation with the U.S. government, to government specifications.

For example, the USS Arizona was laid down in 1916 at the Brooklyn Navy Shipyard (a U.S. government institution). Even if she wasn't built by the government (thus, copyright free), according to copyright law at the time, her original design would have been out of copyright for good by 1956. Even with refits, her Pearl Harbor design would have been out of copyright by 1981, well before the latest extended copyright law came into effect.