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[EnsignRo]

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

non-WWII related stuff

...and why not?...why not make IL2 1956?...or IL2 1966?...or even IL2 1916?...

[ocococ]

The truth is that, all the available IL-2 ModPacks give an unfinished/experimental/buggy/hobby/arcade feeling to IL-2. And this becomes more apparent the more you play them.

There isn't a single ModPack out there, that is conservative, that acts "like" an official patch. Improving/adding only what is really needed and only with very HQ stuff.

Instead all the ModPacks have loads of unnecessary changes that mess up the game and destroy the good old IL-2 feeling that we are all used to, while also introducing rookie bugs and incompatibilities.

I think that if there was a more serious patch-like-modpack, the situation would be better. But there is not.

However, I must tell the truth, there is some great and very polished mod content out there, that is a shame it is not official. But imo they are the exception and minority.

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by EnsignRo

...and why not?...why not make IL2 1956?...or IL2 1966?

Because, a) there are lots of stuff still left out for the WWII; b) no one yet did a good enough (at least, comparable to the existing WWII subjects) simulation for the jet engines and avionics, sub- and supersonic FM, helicopter FM and so on. Who's going to do that? DT? Doubt it. Plus, how many planes for this era available ATM? One or two? What about ground units for the period? And so on. Without all that the 1956-66 planes are out of place in the IL-2 game.

Originally Posted by EnsignRo

...or even IL2 1916?...

Same questions, as above, plus there is already ROF, which is much better, then anything, modders or DT can suggest in this area.

[ATAG_Doc]

This place is already hot. Just a few minutes after birth already 41 post. Better have thick skin.

[xmac1x]

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

Because, a) there are lots of stuff still left out for the WWII; b) no one yet did a good enough (at least, comparable to the existing WWII subjects) simulation for the jet engines and avionics, sub- and supersonic FM, helicopter FM and so on. Who's going to do that? DT? Doubt it. Plus, how many planes for this era available ATM? One or two? What about ground units for the period? And so on. Without all that the 1956-66 planes are out of place in the IL-2 game.


Same questions, as above, plus there is already ROF, which is much better, then anything, modders or DT can suggest in this area.

Here's a simple solution! If you don't want it don't download it! UP, HSFX breathed a new life into this game, before TD was set up I believe, If somebody wants to make a mod about 1966 let them, don't like it don't get it and don't complain that it exists in the first place. UP is pretty well polished and doesnt at all feel like an arcade experience

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by xmac1x

If somebody wants to make a mod about 1966 let them

Absolutely. Who says, they can not? If someone wants 1956, or 1966, or 2366 martian frankenstein invasion - the can have it all in their mods. But not in the official add-on. That's the point of this discussion.

[WWFlybert]

look .. UP 2.01 and it's switchers allow 4.09m , 4.10m (rarely used now of course) and 4.101 .. I updated to 4.10 then 4.101 through the UP updater .. it was painless

yes, most servers are empty .. so what ? .. most of the ACTIVE dogfight servers are either 2.01 (with or without Zuti MDS 1.13 ) or 4.101 ..same with coop..

4.101 is great .. UP 2.01 is great .. both have things about them that are different ..

why fight or argue ? .. UP 2.01 has a 4.09m base .. so much credit goes to TD or UP 2.01 could not be what it is .. UP 3.0 will need to have ability to switch, with JSGME, to 4.101 .. because that is what the players want .. not having to switch between 2 or more installs to play online

you can argue that UP is inaccurate or incomplete in some respects .. you can argue that 4.101 is inaccurate in perhaps fewer respects and definitely that it does not have the variety / number of plane types or easy to enable options

1C was not perfect, TD is not perfect, the sim IL-2 1946 is not perfect .. TD, UP and SAS and smaller mod groups are all trying to improve IL-2 1946 with feedback from the players .. ( AAS is a joke, the guy running that does not even fly IL-2 and is developing a WWI sim based on Virtual Simulator / hangsim engine )

The game is made better by all of you .. rather than argue over who is *better* .. recognize the good contributions each group has made and be happy the options are for each to play the version(s) they want to play .. they are not mutually exclusive

[Hans Burger]

In my opinion, it is not a problem to have choice between different mod packs (DT, UP, SAS, etc...) since all are realised under SFS format and, at this level, a pack has not an advantage with regard to the other.
So, choice between one pack with regard to others will be done by the content and by the quality of it. I think, this kind of competition is very clean and, at least, the choice (the "winner") will be done by users. We are very closed to basic situations of real life and for me, it is a good point.

[II/JG54_Emil]

And since there are many and enough competitioners out there, DT could maybe take care of improving the core of the game and bring it to 2011 game standarts(Multicore, 4GB+ RAM, etc.).

This would be a sort of coorperation that would benefit the entire comunity.