What aircraft would a Battle for Moscow senario need?

[addman]

Originally Posted by Feathered_IV

Personal must-haves are the Sturmy, Hs123, Polikarpovs 153 and 16. Plus the Storch and Po-2. Looking forward to trying to land a dangerously overladen He-111 on the ice covered strip of Gumrak one day too!

I'll sign under that, especially the Hs123. So neglected yet such an interesting aircraft. After 10 years it's being added (official) to IL-2 Sturmovik albeit as A.I.

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by csThor

For Germany it would probably be

Bf 109 E-7 (as fighter-bomber)
Bf 109 F-2
Bf 110 C/D/E (fighter-bomber and strategic recon)
Ju 88 A-4/5
Ju 88 D (strategic recon)
He 111 H-3 / H-6
Hs 126
Hs 123
Ju 87 B-2
Ju 52
Fi 156

For the VVS

I-16 (ShKAS-armed types)
I-153 (ShKAS-armed types)
LaGG-3
MiG-3
Yak-1
Pe-2
Il-2
+ more that I can't remember now

You forgot the mighty killing machine, the famous Po-2 (U-2)

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by csThor

For Germany it would probably be

Bf 109 E-7 (as fighter-bomber)
Bf 109 F-2
Bf 110 C/D/E (fighter-bomber and strategic recon)
Ju 88 A-4/5
Ju 88 D (strategic recon)
He 111 H-3 / H-6
Hs 126
Hs 123
Ju 87 B-2
Ju 52
Fi 156

For the VVS

I-16 (ShKAS-armed types)
I-153 (ShKAS-armed types)
LaGG-3
MiG-3
Yak-1
Pe-2
Il-2
+ more that I can't remember now

Clearly visible that Moskau campaign would not be happy times for reds. Lots of turkey shooting for the Luftwaffe. Although the tactical situation will be in favor of the commies. If the flak accuracy will be close to that of IL2, blue team might have a tough time also. Yes, that and the Friedrich`s 15mm against Sturmovik armor. BUT, the fieldmod did introduce the MG 151/20 for the F2. Another thing - I think I read somewhere that the Bf110s have served in this campaign, although in small numbers. This makes the Hs129 the most welcome plane to be had, because frankly the lufties don`t have much to stop the russian tanks with.

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by JG53Frankyboy

i dont care if there will be no F-4 in "Battle for Moskau" , as long there will be the FieldMod posibility for the F-2 to arm it with a MG151/20

Fortunately the "little calibre" not anymore pop gun like than in Il-2.

[carguy_]

IIRC it was only belted with tracer and AP rounds.

[JG53Frankyboy]

think about the endless possibilities in belting for the .303 (as example) in BoB .................every roundtype fired once in history ??!


Hs129 does not fit in the scenario. THE firedepartment for the german Army to hold the soviet counteroffensive were the Bf110s (as max 4 Groups), the Hs123 and Bf109E (in total 3 sqadrons 109 fighterbombers and one squadron of the Henschel) and sure the Ju87 .

[Katkatman]

The main question won't be "which plane" but "which performances" (regarding quality products from the two sides), I already saw crapy planes easily shooting down another which couldn't been by this during the war.

By the way, the battle of moscow wasn't planned from a long time,having seen objects/models already created , Korea was.

God moves in mysterious ways

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Katkatman

God moves in mysterious ways

Yeah. I mean who would have thought that the Battle of Britain would just be a cover-up for the il2 remake.

[Sven]

I dont think the reddies will be worrying too much about their planes, they have the Mig/3 (Excellent plane, very fast at altitude but lacks firepower) and the Yak/1 although in low quantities and without radios ( I wonder how this will be modelled)

[Jaws2002]

It didn't take part in the battle of Moscow, but any early war scenario could use some IAR-80s.