Simulation or Shoot-em-up?

[ATAG_Bliss]

Originally Posted by TacKY

Im comparing them in their current states now. Not what COD could be. You're obviously biased towards COD where I couldnt give a **** since if COD was better then I would say so. ROF has everything it needs to "recreate WWI" except for infantry combat and comprehensive tank battles. COD, at the moment, is sterile and lackluster. Its funny cause everything that even insinuates something against COD is met with hostility. Lrn2internet.

So you are wrong and obviously unknowledgable since you're trying to say that ROF will never reach the "POTENTIAL trolololol" of COD. The only potential I see is the discarded area of Ubisoft's big failed games lounge unless something is done soon and not in two years. Imma leave this here since it validates everything. Amidoinitrite?

I have simply given my opinion on the matter and you simply want to start some bull shit. Maybe I should wait for a couple years before I get the game that they actually meant to make which is a horrible strategy since they have publishers.

Of course I'm biased towards COD. It already allows you to recreate the war you are flying in. ROF can't even come close to simulating being in WWI. You have over 100 troops in a mission, it won't even load. You have over 50 human players on a server it will crash. As someone who's been running a ROF server for over a year and someone who was a beta tester for ROF for a year, I'm fully well aware of the pathetic object and aircraft limitations that ROF has.

COD doesn't have them. There's several videos of people having over 1000 planes in a mission already in COD. That's a wet dream for ROF. So again, you've proven yourself to be unknowledgeable and wrong again.

I suggest everyone that was a mission builder for IL2-46 to go ahead and download the free demo for ROF. Go ahead and make a mission like you would for 46 and try to see what happens when you load it. Nothing! That's right. It won't even load.

IL2COD has 10x the amount of objects in the FMB than ROF's ME as well. But the coolest thing is, in IL2COD you can actually use them in a mission.

Now before you go on a tirade again with such words as "deeerrrrp, Amidoinrite, Hurr Derr" or any other stuff that really show your maturity level, may I suggest you "Grow Up!"

Judging by your posts here, where the second one was met with a ban threat for promoting ROF. And judging by your own words stating that you don't even own the game. Here's a hint for you, ROF has their own forums. Go ahead and tell all the people there, how good it is.

Originally Posted by Seeker

Not fully released?

I sure as hell paid full price.

As far as I'm aware, ROF took a dam sight less then 8 years development plus a alpha release plus god alone knows how many patches it's going to take before I don't feel I was defrauded out of my money.

Yes, I'm aware it's only 30 bucks. I'd be bloody annoyed if the bar man short changed me a couple of quid even if the beer was drinkable. When he short changes me AND serves cat's piss then ....

But still, if you like the taste.

Strange. I guess the version I bought from Steam that still has a release date of May 25th must be a lie!

Originally Posted by TacKY

P O T E N T I A L

On these forums, you never talk about the current state of the game. Only its P O T E N T I A L.

Also, he is trying to say that it will magically get better once it is released in the US. They can have their delusions.

The current state of the game has problems and issues. Noone is denying that. But what people like you don't seem to understand is that in 3 weeks time the sim has gone from 5FPS for virtually everyone to many enjoying playable frame rates and enjoyment. I'd say that's pretty good for 3 weeks. I wonder what will happen in another 3 weeks?

"But hey guys, this game sucks ass, it's bad and will never get fixed" We obviously won't get the support that the old IL2 got with 10 years worth of updates, support, improvements, and patches. No way. It won't happen. They are magically gonna stop supporting it because some troll on the forums said so. Laughable argument is laughable.

[RocketDog]

But having a large number of objects in a mission is not much use if the AI that drives the aircraft is terrible, there's no proper campaign, the FMs are dubious and the whole thing takes place in a comical flourescent lime-green vision of England. The number of people who will play big missions on line is far too small to support the game. CloD will stand or fall by the single-player aspect. Now, you're going to say that this will all be fixed because original IL2 was. But times are different in the PC game world from how they were ten years ago.

[ATAG_Bliss]

The AI appear to be pretty close to those of the old IL2. I would much rather have them cheat than be sitting there like a meandering easy target to shoot down. The more difficult the merrier in my opinion.

The best campaigns for IL2 were made by the community. In IL2COD this will be the same. And talking about SP you can recreate any mission you want with the FMB. If you'd do a search there's already been several people release campaigns they've already made just for the SP community. And the lime-green vision of England you are seeing depends on the time of day you are flying. Change your monitor/VC colors if you don't like the settings.

And yes, it will be fixed like the old one was. If you haven't noticed, the old one (the most successful sim of all time) is still being patched, supported, and improved today. The whole IL2 series is a WIP. Virtually every single friday update said WIP. Guess what? That's how the IL2 series is. And in 10 years, IL2COD will still be around with, more than likely, several complete theaters of war released.

[ZaltysZ]

Originally Posted by RocketDog

But times are different in the PC game world from how they were ten years ago.

No, not really as there is no competition. They can take their time fixing, because even if people stop playing CoD now, they will return to it as there won't probably be anything, what could take its place (at least, not very soon).

As of now, it is a mess.

Originally Posted by RocketDog

I'm fully well aware of the pathetic object and aircraft limitations that ROF has. COD doesn't have them. There's several videos of people having over 1000 planes in a mission already in COD. That's a wet dream for ROF.

On other hand, RoF AI has to be tweaked for not killing its own plane, in CoD AI has (it seems) to be tweaked for concealing that its plane has different FM. Don't you think that "1000 of planes" is possible because of this? I am not saying that is bad (in fact, it is good thing for large scale combat), but this comes not without loosing something.

[ATAG_Bliss]

On other hand, RoF AI has to be tweaked for not killing its own plane, in CoD AI has (it seems) to be tweaked for concealing that its plane has different FM. Don't you think that "1000 of planes" is possible because of this? I am not saying that is bad (in fact, it is good thing for large scale combat), but this comes not without loosing something.

You can take all the AI completely out of a mission and the spawnable ground targets and player planes limitations are the same. So no, I don't think it has anything to do with it. The server ( or your own machine in SP) handles the AI calculations (FM). So technically speaking, the better the hardware the more AI planes should be allowed in a mission. In ROF your hardware does not matter as once the limit is hit, (albeit a very small number) the mission will crash, not load, or the master browser stats will disappear.

So in closing, the only reason 1000 planes is possible, is because - unlike in ROF, your hardware determines the amount of planes and/or objects and not the game engine.

[TacKY]

Syn, I never said I was making an argument nor have I promoted rof. In fact the game is still nothing compared to the old il 2. I also do have cod so if I want to say it is bad then I can say so because that is what a forum is for. The only thing laughable here is you not knowing what trolling means and your attempt to justify selling an alpha for $44. I didn't come here to get insulted for stating my opinion on the state of the game. I didn't get this game for it's potential just like I didn't get rof for it's potential but I'll gladly wait since I got the game anyway. Either accept it or throw around your argument to someone that cares enough. This is really ******* stupid since you obviously haven't played rof and heavily biased towards cod. It's like trying to tell a christian there is no god (which there isn't). Protip to myself: never post an opinion that isn't in favor of cod on the European 1c forums.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Clearly, you are even incapable of reading comprehension.

It's nice to see you waved the white flag though.

Thanks for posting and showing you care (errr, don't care lol)..

Bye now!

[TacKY]

White flag? I merely don't want to keep on looking at these forums. YOu seem to can't comPrehend that someone doesn't like cod and all it's mediocrity. The only person that can't comprehend simple English is you seeing as you have taken a simple statement about rof and taken it two pages. Let me clarify since you may have a tough time reading. Rof is better than cod IMO. Cwutididthar. It's crazy when you add IMO.

[ATAG_Bliss]

You must have foot in mouth disease. 1st you go out and type a paragraph stating that ROF is better on the home of the forums for IL2. And then have the audacity to say you weren't wanting to get into an argument? Clearly you're not very smart and after being told by several people, including me why ROF will not hold a candle to this sim by some very valid points, the only thing you can say is that you don't care enough to argue and now you don't care enough to look at these forums? Yet you DO care because you are arguing and posting on these forums.

You are one big oxymoron.

Congrats!

Btw, thanks again for showing you don't care!

[TacKY]

I typed a paragraph that said what I thought about the game. I was tired of people trying to bring down rof because of cod shortcomings. You guys seemingly aren't smart because you are fighting with a ghost. I think rof is better only because of its stability and wilsons dynamic campaign. I agree on some points of you guys but the whole waiting for the actual game argument is absurd. My bd if you took my first statement the wrong way. Cod can be a good game bit waiting two years isn't really acceptable.