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Old 05-02-2011, 05:35 PM
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I'm not a nazi, rivet counter or history nerd at all but I think the Swastika completes the marking-composition of the axis aircraft, but i can understand if 1c doesn't want to use it, after all russia lost like 24 million lives because of that war, so people are of course sensetive...
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Old 05-02-2011, 07:17 PM
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Nazi
is an abbreviated short term for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (“National Socialist German Workers’ Party”). It is not an acronym; it is a phonetic spelling of the pronunciation of the first two 'syllables':Na-Ti

This short term, Nazi, is and was used more often in English rather than in German, in which the acronym NSDAP was used.

I would be interested to know from any German 1C community member with relatives who lived in Germany in the 30's and 40's if the term "Na-ti" (Nazi) was used widely, or used at all, by Germans.


Nazi Swastika is "English"
NSDAP Hakenkreuz is German
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Old 05-02-2011, 07:41 PM
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Correct. Churchill actually pronounced it 'Nahzzees' as in 'Hitler's Nahzzees'.

With an English Z pronunciation rather than the German 'ts'.
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Old 05-02-2011, 08:03 PM
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I would be interested to know from any German 1C community member with relatives who lived in Germany in the 30's and 40's if the term "Na-ti" (Nazi) was used widely, or used at all, by Germans.
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Nazi Look up Nazi at Dictionary.com
1930, from Ger. Nazi, abbreviation of German pronunciation of Nationalsozialist (based on earlier Ger. sozi, popular abbreviaton of "socialist"), from Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei "National Socialist German Workers' Party," led by Hitler from 1920. The 24th edition of Etymologisches Wörterbuch der deutschen Sprache (2002) says the word Nazi was favored in southern Germany (supposedly from c.1924) among opponents of National Socialism because the nickname Nazi (from the masc. proper name Ignatz, German form of Ignatius) was used colloquially to mean "a foolish person, clumsy or awkward person." Ignatz was a popular name in Catholic Austria, and according to one source in WWI Nazi was a generic name in the German Empire for the soldiers of Austria-Hungary. An older use of Nazi for national-sozial is attested in German from 1903, but EWdS does not think it contributed to the word as applied to Hitler and his followers. The NSDAP for a time attempted to adopt the Nazi designation as what the Germans call a "despite-word," but they gave this up, and the NSDAP is said to have generally avoided the term. Before 1930, party members had been called in English National Socialists, which dates from 1923. The use of Nazi Germany, Nazi regime, etc., was popularized by German exiles abroad. From them, it spread into other languages, and eventually was brought back to Germany, after the war. In the USSR, the terms national socialist and Nazi were said to have been forbidden after 1932, presumably to avoid any taint to the good word socialist. Soviet literature refers to fascists.
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Old 05-03-2011, 02:23 PM
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Nazi
is an abbreviated short term for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (“National Socialist German Workers’ Party”). It is not an acronym; it is a phonetic spelling of the pronunciation of the first two 'syllables':Na-Ti

This short term, Nazi, is and was used more often in English rather than in German, in which the acronym NSDAP was used.

I would be interested to know from any German 1C community member with relatives who lived in Germany in the 30's and 40's if the term "Na-ti" (Nazi) was used widely, or used at all, by Germans.


Nazi Swastika is "English"
NSDAP Hakenkreuz is German
I am from Germany, and my grandfather fought on the German side in WWII but I never heard of the term "Na-ti" where did you get that from? The term "Nazi" was used also in Germany but more as a insult, for those trying to be 150% like the NSDAP wanted.
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Old 05-03-2011, 05:41 PM
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Phonetically, the pronunciation of the first two syllables, Na and ti, would not be Nah-Tee, but rather Nah-Tseh or Nah-Tsee

You can hear it here (be patient, it might take a LONG time to load):
http://tts.imtranslator.net/Fp5I
or http://tts.imtranslator.net/Fp4s

Hence: Nazi (phonetically Nah-Tsee)

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Old 05-04-2011, 04:11 AM
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Phonetically, the pronunciation of the first two syllables, Na and ti, would not be Nah-Tee, but rather Nah-Tseh or Nah-Tsee

You can hear it here (be patient, it might take a LONG time to load):
http://tts.imtranslator.net/Fp5I
or http://tts.imtranslator.net/Fp4s

Hence: Nazi (phonetically Nah-Tsee)
That might be what they have in the books, but on the streets the term "Nah-Tseh".....that is just to give a clue how it is pronounced even though spellt differantly.
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Old 05-04-2011, 06:37 AM
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That might be what they have in the books, but on the streets the term "Nah-Tseh".....that is just to give a clue how it is pronounced even though spellt differantly.
That's what I said...

ahhhh...fugeddaboutit
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