BF109 - Can't we just have the gunsight in the middle?

kimosabi · #1 04-21-2011, 12:40 PM

A Buchon is the bastard stepdaughter of a 109.

JG52Krupi · #2 04-21-2011, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kimosabi

A Buchon is the bastard stepdaughter of a 109.

THANK YOU, buchon is FUGLY.

617Squadron · #3 04-30-2011, 08:46 PM

Can I march into the land of the fanbois and point something out...?

[Captain Obvious on]
Why do you think you add tracers to the loadout in the ammo belts? If you get close enough in and are in the same horizontal plane (no matter what the angle relative to the horizon), your tracers will tell you if you are on the target or not. You can do that by eye alone.

Fanbois, eh? Sheesh....
[Captain Obvious off]

ATAG_Doc · #4 05-03-2011, 04:24 PM

Wow this topic has legs. There is a solution. Fly birds of prey. Their sights are centered. That would be a great fix for anyone wanting centered sights.

617Squadron · #5 05-03-2011, 06:59 PM

I'm sorry, but there are people in here arguing about the ME 109's gunsight as if they are the sniper in the bell tower in the film Saving Private Ryan, or are Jude Law and Ed Harris in Enemy At The Gates. You simply don't get that level of luxury to pick a shot in a real air battle.

In a dogfight, you barely have a second or two to get a burst of fire off at an enemy aircraft and your tracers, along with the nose of the aircraft, are your best guide in this situation.

flyingblind · #6 05-03-2011, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 617Squadron

Can I march into the land of the fanbois and point something out...?

[Captain Obvious on]
Why do you think you add tracers to the loadout in the ammo belts? If you get close enough in and are in the same horizontal plane (no matter what the angle relative to the horizon), your tracers will tell you if you are on the target or not. You can do that by eye alone.

Fanbois, eh? Sheesh....
[Captain Obvious off]

Yes, but you are in danger of wasting precious ammunition just to check if you are on target. The gunsight will give you a good chance of being close if not dead on, the tracers will allow you to make the small final adjustment if necessary or keep you on target or stop firing if your aiming is clearly out.

617Squadron · #7 05-03-2011, 09:25 PM

Peering through the gunsight as you describe won't help you at all if you are not directly on the target's six and you need to get a deflection shot off, ahead of the target, especially in a turning battle as you simply won't have the time. You'd see nothing but sky through the gunsight.

It may work on bombers but not on fighters, especially against an experienced pilot. It's better to get a 'feel' through experience as to where the shots will go by line-of-sight and the plane of the aircraft, as that's more instinctive and intuitive, but that's just my opinion.

Flying in a straight line for more than two seconds whilst in a furball is likely to get you shot down and you may be doing just that, while you are picking your shot.

flyingblind · #8 05-03-2011, 09:26 PM

I haven't read all this post but I am with Lixma on this and he is right in saying you cannot replicate the way a 109 Revi sight works in real life on a flat computer screen and his solution of the sight ring floating outside the glass screen is probably the closest you can get.
To get an idea of the effect make a 3 inch square from card or paper. Draw a large gunsight ring and cross hair to fill the square. Sit in front of your monitor and holding the card in your right hand keep looking at the screen with both eyes open and move the card in from the right a few inches from your nose untile the centre of the cross is straight in front. You will see the cross and the computer screen in line and in front of you. Close you right eye and you will see the screen then close your left eye and your view will be obscured by the card. You can see that it would work much better if the card was clear glass or plastic, the sight was illuminated and it was given the correct focus for your eye.
Also, in real life it wasn't a case of peering through the gunsight or lining up as the optics of the sight meant the cross hairs or ring was floating in front of you eyes in the correct position regardless of head movement, all you needed to do was keep the glass screen between your eyes or eye and the target and manoever the plan to get in position. Those utube vids posted earlier in this thread show the way it worked. And sure, an experienced pilot could pull off all sorts of snap shots and the like but he was probably no more relying on tracers than taking careful aim.

617Squadron · #9 05-03-2011, 09:31 PM

Exactly, this is why experience and the centre line of the aircraft are more likely to help you as you gain more confidence with dogfighting, particularly with deflection shooting.

esmiol · #10 05-03-2011, 09:40 PM

people want to have the gunsight in front of them? why don't you use SHIFT F1?

or put the cockpit view out...

you can't pretend play in full reaity and be assist!

stop whining... the gunsight is realistic... then or you lower the realistic setting...or buy a trak IR or ajust your position with the mouse! you can drag left or right by pressing the scroll button and the right or left click!

what will be the other post? add dammage done by ammo becaue kill a plane is too hard? please.... set the realistic setting lower and train to fly and shoot...later you put setting more and more realist.

or a good idea... go to WOP and enjoy arcade game!