High Speed Shaking

[Viper2000]

I tested it.

It's classic directional snaking behaviour. I don't know whether the 110 suffered from it at this speed, but it's not an unreasonable generic high speed (mis)behaviour; lots of aeroplanes from this period suffered it if pushed too fast.

PS - the 110 is a real killer! I got 4 Spitfires in the low level dogfight quick mission. Couldn't find the engine oil temperature though, which was annoying, and the engines died just as I got back to France...

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Viper2000

I tested it.

It's classic directional snaking behaviour. I don't know whether the 110 suffered from it at this speed, but it's not an unreasonable generic high speed (mis)behaviour; lots of aeroplanes from this period suffered it if pushed too fast.

PS - the 110 is a real killer! I got 4 Spitfires in the low level dogfight quick mission. Couldn't find the engine oil temperature though, which was annoying, and the engines died just as I got back to France...

Yeah, try that against 4 Spits in Multiplayer
Against everything else she is a killer par excellance. My fav bird here so far, shredders everything appearing in front of her nose, hehe.

Directional snaking, hm? Gotta see what google comes up with here.

Btw, you may want to check the engine nacelles next time you look for instruments in the 110

[Viper2000]

It's certainly no Fw190, but lots of relatively big guns in the nose and reasonable top speed should make it pretty effective against opponents with poor SA (who should be more plentiful now that there's a lot more systems management for people to worry about...).

As for snaking & other aspects of stability & control, try this:

http://history.nasa.gov/monograph12/ch4.htm

[Peril]

boom and zooming is an absolute must as direct dogfighting is pure suicide.

Mm, sorry dude not trying to be rude here but this has nothing to do with accuracy of the 110C4 in game, that's a 'want'. The 110 was not known as a 'good' fighter plane and was chewed up in real life BoB buy the RAF fighters. I think it's better if we just stick to the facts and try to prove the accuracy. Now having said that, I have some documents here that may help define the VNE, but they are in German.

I'll see what I can translate.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Peril

Mm, sorry dude not trying to be rude here but this has nothing to do with accuracy of the 110C4 in game, that's a 'want'. The 110 was not known as a 'good' fighter plane and was chewed up in real life BoB buy the RAF fighters. I think it's better if we just stick to the facts and try to prove the accuracy. Now having said that, I have some documents here that may help define the VNE, but they are in German.

I'll see what I can translate.

Then why are you? I consider "want" a perfectly legit motivation to check up on an observation that neither appeared in anything I read yet not experienced in another simulator. That does not mean it was not to there but it warrants enough reason to ask a question when personal flying style relies on it, don't you think? And it certainly does not justify to imply here I was actively seeking to change FM against realism for personal gain.

That said, I am curious what you come up with

[Sternjaeger II]

I haven't tried the game yet, but it sounds like good old flutter to me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroelasticity#Flutter

[Peril]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

That said, I am curious what you come up with

I came up with exactly what K said (he also posted on the other 110 thread). Seems we have the same documents, I think I got them from him for our Targetware 110 project?

650kmh IAS.

In the sim engines worked on the high speed shaking effect was based on the VNE figure. It was coded by the builder and entered in the data table, presumption is that this is the same with CoD? There was a margin implied where the shaking started OVER this figure and increased with speed in a linear way. Unless this is another form of DM effect (G limit, compression effect etc) which needs to be determined.

However, once crossing 500 kph (which actually is close to the max speed of some AC) the aircraft not just shakes, but changes directions and twist around like being caught in a Tornado. Forget about having the time or stability to actually take aim. This also means that 500 kph is the max you can take into zooming again, not a lot really and gone in no time.

This would indicate there is an issue of some kind with the 110 FM, just where it lies and how to correct it is for the 1C FM guru to determine.

[Kurfurst]

Originally Posted by Peril

I came up with exactly what K said (he also posted on the other 110 thread). Seems we have the same documents, I think I got them from him for our Targetware 110 project? 650kmh IAS.

I have some English language 110C manual, presumably a translation of the original German short manual for 110C. It follows the same pattern as the 109E Kurzbescreibung of December 1939..

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Peril

I came up with exactly what K said (he also posted on the other 110 thread). Seems we have the same documents, I think I got them from him for our Targetware 110 project?

650kmh IAS.

In the sim engines worked on the high speed shaking effect was based on the VNE figure. It was coded by the builder and entered in the data table, presumption is that this is the same with CoD? There was a margin implied where the shaking started OVER this figure and increased with speed in a linear way. Unless this is another form of DM effect (G limit, compression effect etc) which needs to be determined.



This would indicate there is an issue of some kind with the 110 FM, just where it lies and how to correct it is for the 1C FM guru to determine.

Thanks for the effort! Same applies to Kurfürst.

And yeah, I am not disputing the 650 value at all, that is what I have been reading over the years as well.
But I do get that right that everybody is a bit on the speculation side on the issue of crossing 500kph?