Freetrack interface use in IL-2:CoD

[albx]

Originally Posted by CharveL

You may not think you notice it but it definitely affects the way you pivot around in-game, even by milliseconds. You can equate it to playing an online FPS shooter game at 50ms vs 200ms, not as a direct comparison but to illustrate that sub-second lag can have a big impact on your effectiveness.

The lag that people talks about is a webcam limitation that the max framerate is 30 not the software (if you fine tune your curves you'll not notice any), but with a ps3 you can get 125 fps at 320x240 and 75 fps at 640x480

[LoBiSoMeM]

I use FT with a PS3 Eye with no lag. And yes - I tested TiR products. It's the same thing.

Simple as that: use some "webcam" with more than 100FPS and the magic is done, but cheap 30FPS webcams provide good experience too.

Waiting for Oleg's response about FreeTrack suport. Any word?

[albx]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

I use FT with a PS3 Eye with no lag. And yes - I tested TiR products. It's the same thing.

Simple as that: use some "webcam" with more than 100FPS and the magic is done, but cheap 30FPS webcams provide good experience too.

Waiting for Oleg's response about FreeTrack suport. Any word?

I also have a ps3 eye, and about FT support, I think we should just wait and try if will work, i don't believe anybody will come here and tell yes or not..

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by albx

I also have a ps3 eye, and about FT support, I think we should just wait and try if will work, i don't believe anybody will come here and tell yes or not..

Yes, I believe that too... And I'm a little bit "happy" with that, if you understand me... lol!

[CharveL]

Originally Posted by albx

The lag that people talks about is a webcam limitation that the max framerate is 30 not the software (if you fine tune your curves you'll not notice any), but with a ps3 you can get 125 fps at 320x240 and 75 fps at 640x480

For the most part you are right that a higher framerate camera will likely make the most difference and provide an adequate experience, perhaps even on par with one of the older TIR versions (the TIR3 was 120hz) even though it probably cannot match the field of view a TIR5 has.

The software limitation I mention effects everyone on FT or TIR, it doesn't matter. It comes from the amount of time it takes the computer to "guess" the amount of in-between frames (quantizing) from actual samples. You get better accuracy at the expense of lag (the amount of milliseconds it takes to process and return the information) which gets worse, linearly, with the amount of smoothing.

It's important to note that the higher the sampling rate of the camera, the less smoothing you need, much like a mouse.

How much is one of these PS3 eyes you mention? And is there any technical specs on it's field of view?

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by CharveL

(...)even though it probably cannot match the field of view a TIR5 has.
(...)
How much is one of these PS3 eyes you mention? And is there any technical specs on it's field of view?

Google it first. Do a little research, because you have a lot of opinions and voted NO in this poll... I'm not suprised with that: you know very little but have a lot of opinions!

[CharveL]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

Google it first. Do a little research, because you have a lot of opinions and voted NO in this poll... I'm not suprised with that: you know very little but have a lot of opinions!

Hush...adults are having a conversation here.

[SEE]

Just spent an hour or so with my TIR and, compared to FT with a 30fps web cam, TIR has a faster response time. Never thought about it before or the possible impact on game play. I don't know much about the PS3 eyecam other than it is compatible - wether to get one depends on COD's headtracking API support but, from what I understand, they are reasonably priced so worth getting for my second PC set up and have FT on one and TIR on other.

[albx]

Originally Posted by CharveL

For the most part you are right that a higher framerate camera will likely make the most difference and provide an adequate experience, perhaps even on par with one of the older TIR versions (the TIR3 was 120hz) even though it probably cannot match the field of view a TIR5 has.

The software limitation I mention effects everyone on FT or TIR, it doesn't matter. It comes from the amount of time it takes the computer to "guess" the amount of in-between frames (quantizing) from actual samples. You get better accuracy at the expense of lag (the amount of milliseconds it takes to process and return the information) which gets worse, linearly, with the amount of smoothing.

It's important to note that the higher the sampling rate of the camera, the less smoothing you need, much like a mouse.

How much is one of these PS3 eyes you mention? And is there any technical specs on it's field of view?

here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeTrack you can see some comparisons, ps3 eyecam have a max field of view of 75° instead TIR5 is 51.7° if the data there is not wrong. I paid for a new ps3 eyecam about 25 euros, and i can use like a webcam also not only for freetrack

CharveL, what people complain here is that TIR is overpriced, so for who can't or don't want afford it there is freetrack, cheap because today almost everybody have a webcam. I want be clear that i don't say one is better than another, just that one is "cheaper" than another.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by albx

here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeTrack you can see some comparisons, ps3 eyecam have a max field of view of 75° instead TIR5 is 51.7° if the data there is not wrong. I paid for a new ps3 eyecam about 25 euros, and i can use like a webcam also not only for freetrack

You must let the guy do a little "adult" research by himself...

For the always stupid W-R: I used a lot of TiR hardware bought by friends, tested since TiR2 to TiR5.

If the "VOTE NO!" crowd don't know a thing about Freetrack work, what's the specs of cameras avaliable for PC use, I don't care. I know how TiR performs. I like TiR performance, but like more "do yourself" Freetrack approach, with equal performance.

Simple as that.