Poll regarding Steam users

[ElAurens]

In this case Steam is indeed a monopoly as you must have the Steam client in order to run the game, even offline.

Unlike, say, ArmA II where you can purchase the game on Steam, or not, and anyone can play online in any server they choose, no matter how they purchased it.

And I'm really starting to think that there a a lot of shills on both forums now promoting Steam as if there life depended on it.

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

And I'm really starting to think that there a a lot of shills on both forums now promoting Steam as if there life depended on it.

Quoted for truth.

[CWMV]

Well, I just registered here to reply to this thread.
Ive been playing IL2 since its debut here in the states. Between 1C, TD, and the modding community at large its been my go to flight sim for ~10 years. Ive been anxiously awaiting the release of this since 2005 and now that I find steam is involved, well, talk about a buzzkill. Ive used steam in the past, with bad results. Invasive programs that I never wanted in the first place, running in the background of my computer, stupid long download times and having to run this program even if I want to play offline (which is all I really do)...simple solution though, I'm just not going to buy it.
If there was any other option (short of SH5 type DRM) Id go for it, but this is too much for me to stomach.
I'm not going to cry about it, fact is its 1C's loss. I still have a top noch flight sim thats only getting better with age.

[zauii]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

In this case Steam is indeed a monopoly as you must have the Steam client in order to run the game, even offline.

Unlike, say, ArmA II where you can purchase the game on Steam, or not, and anyone can play online in any server they choose, no matter how they purchased it.

And I'm really starting to think that there a a lot of shills on both forums now promoting Steam as if there life depended on it.

Not at all i think its more the opposite way, people whine and moan about the evil Steam as if their 50$ lifetime investment depend upon it, comparing Steam with spy-ware and viruses just shows the ignorance.
How about take a chill pill, catch up and enjoy the most authentic flight recreation of ww2 ever to be released, or you can simply sit there waiting for Steam to go away, which won't happen.

[CWMV]

Originally Posted by zauii

Not at all i think its more the opposite way, people whine and moan about the evil Steam as if their 50$ lifetime investment depend upon it, comparing Steam with spy-ware and viruses just shows the ignorance.
How about take a chill pill, catch up and enjoy the most authentic flight recreation of ww2 ever to be released, or you can simply sit there waiting for Steam to go away, which won't happen.

Or, wait for the cracked version at which point Ill send a check for $50 to 1C.
So thats the only argument you steamers have? "get used to it"? Well apparently alot of us don't want to, and for that matter don't need to.
Steam is exactly like any other malicious software in that I dont want it, and wont of my own choice have it.
Not quite sure why the steamers have such a hard time with this concept?

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by CWMV

Or, wait for the cracked version at which point Ill send a check for $50 to 1C.
So thats the only argument you steamers have? "get used to it"? Well apparently alot of us don't want to, and for that matter don't need to.
Steam is exactly like any other malicious software in that I dont want it, and wont of my own choice have it.
Not quite sure why the steamers have such a hard time with this concept?

A crack will still require steam.

[zauii]

Originally Posted by CWMV

Or, wait for the cracked version at which point Ill send a check for $50 to 1C.
So thats the only argument you steamers have? "get used to it"? Well apparently alot of us don't want to, and for that matter don't need to.
Steam is exactly like any other malicious software in that I dont want it, and wont of my own choice have it.
Not quite sure why the steamers have such a hard time with this concept?

Far from the only argument we have, but that post wasn't intended to list all my arguments.
I'm sure you and the rest of the crack-pirates will send your money straight to 1c maddox office....... riight.

[Fockzhound]

Also, I'm pretty sure you won't be doing much online gaming with the cracked version.

Look, steam has many more pro's than con's, it has saved PC gaming. Conservative Grandpa haters have teary eyes for yester year when PC games were stocked on shelves in large numbers. 1C have decided to use Steam to sell more copies of the games, why blame for that. It really isn't that bad, as 56% of people here know.

Cry some more.

[lwlooz]

Hello,

apart from the shills/false-flag operators , thanks for the information on steam use.

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

The benefit for me is vac, friends list, easy to use and reliable.

I don't see the point of a friends list when there is IRC, ICQ, Skype, MSN, Facebook and forums or knowing people.

The reason I don't like this news of Steamworks installation is that is by definition a bloated packaged. If I had to sign up somewhere for Anti-Cheat software to be run when I play on certain servers , I would do that.
But Steamworks is linked with the Store and all the social/achievement gimmicks I really see as useful for casual gaming , but don't think are at all useful for a sim like ours.

Apart from that I don't see why 1C wants to cut out potential customers on the accounts of being lazy. This whole Steamworks thing could be completely optional in my limited view.
If you choose to opt out and buy it somewhere else , you just wouldn't have the Steamworks features or couldn't play on some Steam-Enabled servers.
Who would be hurt by that? Steam-User and Non-Steam-Users happy.

If 1C wants to ship DLC , I think all other Digital Distribution retailers do that too, so I fail again to see the point of only going with Steam.

On another note I don't think you can prove Valve to have a monopoly or it's competitor would have already done so. But the fact that they use Steamworks to draw customers to their store is certainly evil and will hurt competition and innovation in the long run.
We might end up having Steam as a proprietary industry standard and all your games belong to Valve which nicely grants you a subscription

[Mick]

I just wanted to BUY CoD, I was even ready to have to be connected once and ONLY once, to activate the sim upon install, and then use MY game whenever I want WITHOUT having that Steam thingie somewhere in my PC ...

I did BUY IL2 way back in 2001, and then everything published by Oleg ... but I WON'T BUY Cod with that totally USELESS Steam thingie ...