Shame on you for using STEAM !

[kashwashwa]

Originally Posted by Vyper

Steam is a virus...

Playing ARMA2 CO is a perfect example of why I won't deal with steam. I can run the game without a hitch, and make choices for myself. Squad members who bought it via steam are forced to take patches the DAY the are released on steam, regardless of settings, keeping them off the server...just as one example. I won't go into the nightmare that is encountered if they want to run mods like ACE2 for example.

Please do go into the nightmare that is encountered.

I have every piece of DLC for the game, I've installed all of the mods I want (Even ACE2!), I play online with several different groups of people and I have never had an issue because the game is on steam.

[Vyper]

Originally Posted by kashwashwa

Please do go into the nightmare that is encountered.

I have every piece of DLC for the game, I've installed all of the mods I want (Even ACE2!), I play online with several different groups of people and I have never had an issue because the game is on steam.

You don't think changing your batch file in some remote call is a headache? Perhaps your computer skills are much higher than the average person. I have walked through arma2 steam issues with people enough to know I won't do it anymore (one of the steam guys handles all the issues with steam users now). I never said it won't work...what I said was it is not easy to make it work. PITA is a term that comes to mind.

I don't care. I rent a small arma server for our squad. This last 6 months has seen a number of patches released...and I could control when I put a patch up on the server...but the steam guys always forced the issue or couldn't play because of they are controlled by valve.

All that said...its a choice. Which I like. because I choose not to have steam installed to I can be part of data collection for marketing and a simpler operation overall without 3rd party crap. When the choice is removed, thats what I have issue with.

[Kikuchiyo]

Originally Posted by Vyper

All that said...its a choice. Which I like. because I choose not to have steam installed to I can be part of data collection for marketing and a simpler operation overall without 3rd party crap. When the choice is removed, thats what I have issue with.

You could choose to keep your server up to date. Steam also auto updates the server software btw.

[Vyper]

Originally Posted by Kikuchiyo

You could choose to keep your server up to date. Steam also auto updates the server software btw.

I am well aware of the options, thanks. For the cost I chose not to spend the money on a true dedicated server that would allow a remote connect to install exe's. But thanks for the helpful suggestions.

[Kikuchiyo]

Originally Posted by Vyper

I am well aware of the options, thanks. For the cost I chose not to spend the money on a true dedicated server that would allow a remote connect to install exe's. But thanks for the helpful suggestions.

So.....your argument is really more about being change due to fiscal concerns than any actual issue with Steam. I'm not saying I can't see your points, but to be fair this isn't really Steam's fault.

Yes it does suck that sometimes a game works better in an older version than it does in a newer version, but honestly isn't that more a dev issue than Valve's? Steam's "don't autoupdate feature" works as long as Steam is working, but if you shut it down and start it back up it will update anything that isn't up to date. I do agree this feature needs to be fixed, but to use this as some point of vehement despise for the entire platform is a bit over the top you've got to admit.

Edit: was being an ass fixed it to be more polite

[Vyper]

Originally Posted by Kikuchiyo

Y Steam's "don't autoupdate feature" works as long as Steam is working, but if you shut it down and start it back up it will update anything that isn't up to date. I do agree this feature needs to be fixed, but to use this as some point of vehement despise for the entire platform is a bit over the top you've got to admit.

Edit: was being an ass fixed it to be more polite

It's just one of the many reasons I don't use steam. You have to admit having a feature called "don't auto update" that only works while you are online is pointless if it updates on reboot regardless.

I don't understand why so many are so passionately defending that service. Seems kind of silly to me.

[Kikuchiyo]

Originally Posted by Vyper

It's just one of the many reasons I don't use steam. You have to admit having a feature called "don't auto update" that only works while you are online is pointless if it updates on reboot regardless.

I don't understand why so many are so passionately defending that service. Seems kind of silly to me.

a) I did agree.

b) No more silly than your bashing and flat out being disingenuous or lying about it.